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gdn35
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 Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:32 am Post subject: Experience Required For Public School & University Jobs? |
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In order to teach at a Public School or at a University in China, do you need teaching experience? Quite often, advertisements for jobs will state that 2 years of experience is required. Also, I realise that most jobs are found in September, but are there positions throughout the year too?
I am limiting myself to Public School and University jobs because I won't work on a Sunday. I don't mind a lower salary. Could someone please enlighten me on this? Thank you very much. |
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johntpartee
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Techically, two years experience is required, but.......
Just keep looking, you'll get something. |
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gdn35
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply. Do they hire for starting dates in December and January?
Or would I need to wait for a February start date? |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| February. Good time to start looking is late December. Actually, you can start looking now, at least get your name out there. |
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gdn35
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the information  |
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Shroob
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It depends on the individual university. Most will ask for experience, but will probably be willing to accept novices.
Although there will be less openings for the February semester start, I reckon you'll still have to be selective in where you work. Remember, always ask to speak to current/past foreign teachers! |
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gdn35
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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That makes perfect sense, thank you.
Any recommendations on where to look for University jobs? Or would it be a case of looking through all the job boards on the web?
I've had offers of jobs without wanting to interview me; so I smell a rat with companies like that. |
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Ariadne
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Just so you know... even if your normal work days at a uni are Mon-Fri, you might have to work the odd Saturday or Sunday to do make up classes for holidays. It's weird to most FTs, but it's pretty normal in China.
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
| February. Good time to start looking is late December. Actually, you can start looking now, at least get your name out there. |
late december may be too late to begin looking. the fall semester
will be ending on or about january 18. after that date, there will
likely be noone in the offices to process papers, submit applications,
mail paperwork, and so on.
mid-january will be the drop-dead date for when they must EMS your
employment package containing invitation letter and visa notice.
the visa notice may require up to two weeks processing time. it should
be doable in three days, but...............
you may be required to undergo a physical exam before the invitation
letter or visa notice will be processed. |
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chinatimes
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Just so you know... even if your normal work days at a uni are Mon-Fri, you might have to work the odd Saturday or Sunday to do make up classes for holidays. It's weird to most FTs, but it's pretty normal in China. |
I wouldn't call them make up classes. That gives the impression you have to teach what you didn't or won't teach later.
What is happening is you work one day (maybe 2, I have only had to do 1 at three different schools so far), and then you get your holiday which is usually a week or more. Even though this is my first year at a college, when I taught mostly at a public high school the schedule was very similar and I didn't have to teach much in January and February (but you still get paid).
So, that Saturday you have to teach knocks down a lot more pins than just the ones you owe. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Everywhere I've ever had to teach Saturday and Sunday, they were make-up classes; mid-week "Sports Day" events and things of that nature when a class was cancelled. I'd usually find out about it when I showed up for class and nobody was there. Another uniquely Chinese custom. Tell everybody about the cancelled class except for the teacher. |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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It is a strange thing, the 'make up lesson'. You get a holiday, but you must work extra hours before or after the holiday.... So not really a holiday in my opinion.
I once had a lesson cancelled by the class monitor, only they didn't tell me. They were also upset when I said I wouldn't reschedule the class! Their stupid fault for not telling me, I turned up with a lesson prepared, too bad they didn't go. |
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kev7161
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| Another uniquely Chinese custom. Tell everybody about the cancelled class except for the teacher. |
Let me clarify that:
Another uniquely Chinese custom. Tell everybody about the cancelled class except for the FOREIGN teacher.
We'll be going back to school next Monday, teach two days, then have cancelled classes due to the 3-day sports meet. Luckily, these will not have to be made up later and I am free to take those three days off. Generally what I do is prepare lessons and materials that first morning, then take the next two and half days off + the following weekend. One the one hand, YAY, no work and still getting paid. On the other hand, with this 8 day holiday and then losing 3 more days (5 with the weekend), many of my little first graders will lose a lot of what I've been teaching them for the last month. |
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7969
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| gdn35 wrote: |
| Any recommendations on where to look for University jobs? Or would it be a case of looking through all the job boards on the web? |
http://en.chinatefl.com/TeachinChina/
| gdn35 wrote: |
| I've had offers of jobs without wanting to interview me; so I smell a rat with companies like that. |
Interviews, when they happen here, are often short and to the point. Don't expect the same kind of interview, if any, as you would back home.
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| It is a strange thing, the 'make up lesson'. You get a holiday, but you must work extra hours before or after the holiday.... So not really a holiday in my opinion. |
Shroob, how about some perspective. How long is the national holiday in your country? In Canada it's one day or three days depending on which day 1 July falls. Having to work one extra day in order to get seven or eight off isn't so bad, is it? I had no Friday classes, and I'm in the middle of ten days off. That's almost the entire annual vacation allotment in some countries. Chinese schools may not pay the most, and they may not be the best communicators but when it comes to time off most people on here haven't had it as good. |
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mnguy29
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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No, you don't need experience to teach at a public school or Uni in China. My Uni in a very nice southern city just hired a couple from the USA with no experience and no TEFL. I also know about a very good high school who will hire without this.
Yes, if they don't require a personal interview, DO NOT accept! There is a reason for this. |
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