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[acrainbow]

I have been searching this board for some of these questions I have, and I am getting mixed responses.

I am an American, a soon-to-be college grad with 3 years of tutoring experience and one year of experience as a professor's assistant.

I would really like to teach English in France this upcoming year, and I would love to become proficient in French through the process. My current plan is to take a CELTA course in Paris and hope to find work afterward. I am not picky about WHERE I work, as long as I can be hired.

Then I ran into the problem of needing a visa before being hired, and decided (from advice from this board and other places) that I can enroll in a French language course for a student visa. Since I would like to learn French anyway, this seems like a good idea to me. I know I would be restricted to 20 hours of work per week, but that sounds like the most I will be able to find teaching English at a private language school anyway. I have found a course that will warrant me my student visa for the year for 12 weeks of classes.

My question is, why are there so many conflicting reactions to the CELTA on this board? Is it "useless" as some say, or "the gold standard" as others say? I am also hearing conflicting opinions about whether work opportunities are abundant or very hard to come by. Also, are there any Americans with experience using a student visa with the priority of working? How dangerous is this?


Thaaaanks ahead of time for any input! I need to get this sorted out in the next few days!

[spiral78]

Ok, I'm not in France, but I've got extensive experience in the region over the past decade and I know people who do teach in France, so I'll chip in my two cent's worth as no-one else has responded so far. Hopefully others actually in-country will chime in soon.

Jobs are not abundant.
There are teachers around with qualifications, experience, and local contacts.
Therefore, there is competition for what positions are out there.
Standard job contracts are usually from Sept/Oct through June, with very little going in the summer holiday season. This is far from an ideal time to try to find regular work (I don't know when you are thinking of coming over).

CELTA is immediately recognisable as meeting the entry-level standard by most reputable employers. Having a CELTA makes life easier in the sense that it's got name recognition.

There are generic certs out there that also meet the standard. If you go for a generic, be sure to highlight on your CV the key elements: at least 120 hours on-site, and including a supervised teaching practicuum with real students.

Your student visa for 12 weeks of classes raises a red flag. 90 days (roughly 12 weeks) is the maximum you can legally remain in the Schengen zone without actual work/living permits (google Schengen zone if you're not already familiar iwth the laws). Do you mean that they are going to give you a student visa for an entire academic year and you only have to attend classes for 12 weeks? If so, that's great, but I think you will want to be absolutely sure on this point so that you know where you stand legally without any doubt.

If you have a legitimate student visa that legitimately allows you to live and work for however long you plan to be in France, you are in no legal danger. If you have a 12-week visa for study only and you overstay your 90 days or work when you are not explicitly allowed to do so, then you are at risk. If you are technically working illegally, you will have no legal protection from exploitative schools or landlords, and at any time you have contact with authorities, there is a risk of deportation (I know of a few American EFL teachers who have actually been caught, deported, and banned from the Schengen zone for up to five years, though obviously this is the worst-case scenario and is rare).

I think you want to be sure you will be legally in the country if you are going to stay longer than 90 days. I think you will also want to assume that a job will not be easy to get, and that you will probably have to cobble together a couple of jobs to make ends meet. You could get lucky, but it's best to plan for the minimum, so that you are sure you have enough resources to fall back on in case.

[acrainbow]

Thank you so much for your reply!! Any information helps. I am aware from general research that jobs are not easy to come by. I am mostly concerned about being legally allowed to work.

The course I have found was actually recommended somewhere in the depths of this forum. I have been in contact with Campus Langues (www.campuslangues.com) in Paris, and they have explained to me that if I preregister with them for courses, that their acceptance letter will be sufficient to get a student visa for one year. They have said that in order to maintain this status I have to register for their 12 week course. The reason I bring these details up is because it seems almost "too good to be true" in a sense. However, if this is the case, this is what I would like to do.

I definitely have no intention of working illegally!

[spiral78]

It sounds as though you need someone with direct information/experience about this specific course. If what they are saying is correct, it does sound as though you would be legal. You might ask them directly how a 12-week course can make you eligible for a full year visa - their response would be enlightening, I'd think.
Do let us know what comes up!
And hopefully someone will be along here with direct knowledge of this programme soon.......

[acrainbow]

Thank you for your input! I have been emailing the school and they seem very straight-forward about their process. Hoping for more information in the upcoming weeks.

[spiral78]

Do keep us posted - others will be interested - and good luck!

[Sweaty Ted]

Hello! I taught EFL in Paris from 2000 to 2003. I have an EU passport (Ireland), but I was born and raised in the USA. As for Americans teaching in Paris, there are several. I know that the challenges may seem daunting if you are a non-EU passport holder; however, if you enroll as a student at an accredited institution in France, you can get a work visa for 20 hours per week. Also, find out at your university's French dept. how you can become an assistant. This would involve a one-year contract that would require you to teach English as an aide in one of the French secondary schools.
If you need information on EU passports, I can offer you this: any person with at least one parent or grandparent born in Ireland, Italy, Poland or Greece is considered to be a citizen of one of those nations by birth. This means that you can avail of the privileges of a citizen, namely acquiring a passport, the most visible sign of your citizenship.
Now, I loved living in Paris, but it wasn't always easy. Paris is expensive. EFL teaching pays enough to get by, but not much more. One major problem is that much of the work is hourly and tends to dry up in the summer, so you need to save for those dry spells.
Don't listen to all the naysayers who claim that it's impossible for an American to teach in France. It can be done, but with a lot of research and effort. Remember, though, that teaching EFL in France can be a great experience, but it would be very hard to make a career out of it unless you are married to someone earning a substantially higher salary or you have another source of income from rentals or investments.
I wish you luck. Feel free to contact me if need be.

[sherrymole]

[acrainbow]

Thanks to both of you for the information!

Ted, thank you for the encouragement. I don't think I qualify for an EU passport. My grandparents are British, I wish that helped. But otherwise, I'm pretty much long-time American.

I agree with the Paris being expensive sentiment... I am hoping to get out of the Paris area after my certification course is finished.

Currently my plan is:
Complete the 4 week CELTA course in June and 12 week language course, finishing in time to get a contract that starts in September (told this is the peak hiring time) somewhere other than Paris. I'll continue to enroll in a language course to keep my visa valid. If I can't find jobs in other places, I will just have to really work hard through the year to stay afloat there.

I don't intend to make this a career. I just want to do it for a year, experience French language and culture, and become certified. If I decide I love France too much after the year is over (not really my plan, though), I would just apply for graduate school at that point.

[riverboat]

The problem with getting out of Paris is that even though living costs reduce, so do work opportunities. France is an ex