Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Celta Certification Apostilled

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Mexico
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
PaulSal



Joined: 18 Apr 2013
Posts: 20
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Celta Certification Apostilled Reply with quote
I wanted to expand upon an earlier Thread regarding having the Celta Certificate Apostilled.

I am planning on completing the CELTA Certificate Course in the United States.
The Celta Certificate is issued by Cambridge University located in England.
Upon completion of the CELTA Certificate, I will then need to have this Apostilled from the issuing country- England.
I need to have this Certificate Apostilled because I could end up working in 1 or more foreign countries, and they could require it.

I tried calling IH and TH and they don't seem to have a clue about getting the Celta Apostilled.

Could someone who has needed to have their Celta Apostilled explain to me what the process is?


I have read the Sticky regarding Apostilles- but none of the information there specifically addresses the Celta Certificate.

Another Thread basically talked about getting the TEFL and other Documents Apostilled:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=852552

Tretyakovskii mentioned that:
"I had the original TEFL, but it was neither certified, nor apostilled, and getting it apostilled was going to be problematic, as it was from a third country."

Spector mentioned that:
"I've seen in the UK, the common practice is to Apostille a copy of the Degree, rather than the original"

willpeach85 mentioned that:
"Getting the CELTA apostilled - is it issued from the UK? I'm I did the course in Vietnam but am a native Brit in London now. Can I get it apostilled here because the teaching body is UK-based?"

However nobody responded to that question about the Celta.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 9650
Location: Mexico City
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why not check directly with the Cambridge office here in Mexico?

http://www.cambridgeesolmexico.org/

Shoot them an email...they should have your answer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
MotherF



Joined: 07 Jun 2010
Posts: 1450
Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can get it Apostilled in the US, by having a US Notary Public make a notarized photo copy of it. They something don't realize that this is one of their powers so if they claim that they can't do that, ask them to check in their Notary handbook. There they will find the language that they must type onto the back of the photo copy and sign and stamp it.
Then you visit the Sectretary of State of the State that the Notary is registered in. They will check their files and compare the notary's signature with the one in their file and then APOSTILLE the document which certifies that the notary is a true notary public in that state.
This does not certify that your CELTA is authentic and I've even seen a fake CELTA get appostilled this way. (I'm NOT recommending that any one do that--your co-workers will be able to tell the difference and will rat you out. Twisted Evil)

But immigration doesn't seem to know the difference. Very Happy


Oh I also know a Brit who was in the US and had his original British University degree with him, he decided to go this route to get his appostile and then come to Mexico. Immigration didn't even bat an eye at the US apotille on his British degree.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PaulSal



Joined: 18 Apr 2013
Posts: 20
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guy Courchesne wrote:
Why not check directly with the Cambridge office here in Mexico?

http://www.cambridgeesolmexico.org/

Shoot them an email...they should have your answer.


Thank you for your fast reply. I will email them.

But this sort-of leads to another question:
If this Certificate gets appostilled, in either the US or England (still not sure about which is correct) and for the sake of argument- it is accepted by Mexico.

What is the transferability then of this Certificate?

For example:
I haven't been reading the best replies about working in Mexico, and if in fact Mexico does not work out for me and I would need to go to a different country altogether, would this apostilled certificate be accepted anywhere?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PaulSal



Joined: 18 Apr 2013
Posts: 20
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
MotherF wrote:
You can get it Apostilled in the US, by having a US Notary Public make a notarized photo copy of it. They something don't realize that this is one of their powers so if they claim that they can't do that, ask them to check in their Notary handbook. There they will find the language that they must type onto the back of the photo copy and sign and stamp it.
Then you visit the Sectretary of State of the State that the Notary is registered in. They will check their files and compare the notary's signature with the one in their file and then APOSTILLE the document which certifies that the notary is a true notary public in that state.
This does not certify that your CELTA is authentic and I've even seen a fake CELTA get appostilled this way. (I'm NOT recommending that any one do that--your co-workers will be able to tell the difference and will rat you out. Twisted Evil)


Thank you too for that information.

I just want to be sure that Im clear.

You're saying that after it's notarized in the Washington DC, then it would be necessary to have this apostilled in the United States as well?

Not England (from where the Certificate itself was issued) correct?

Last edited by PaulSal on Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:18 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Posts: 462
Location: Cancun, Mexico
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
I am planning on completing the CELTA Certificate Course in the United States. The Celta Certificate is issued by Cambridge University located in England. Upon completion of the CELTA Certificate, I will then need to have this Apostilled from the issuing country- England. I need to have this Certificate Apostilled because I could end up working in 1 or more foreign countries, and they could require it.

All true, except for the assumption contained in the third sentence.

To do this in the most formal way, you would first have to have the issuing agency provide you with a certified copy; then, have that certified copy apostilled, or authenticated (some countries, not a party to the Hague Convention), and this then would reach the highest standard for processes of this type.

I went through the process I just mentioned on all my documents except my TEFL Certification, and it involves more pain than may be necessary.

Instead, I took an oath before a U.S. Consular official in Mexico, and making the same statement regarding my TEFL Certificate that you could make before a notary, if in the U.S. (such as was mentioned by another poster).

With the Great Seal of the United States of American impressed in the oath, and bearing the signature of the Consular Official, Mexican authorities were sufficiently satisfied with it's authenticity, accompanied as it was by the original, which I'd had in my continuous possession since the date it was issued.

I was satisfied, after reflection, that this would probably satisfy INM, and it did.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PaulSal



Joined: 18 Apr 2013
Posts: 20
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tretyakovskii wrote:

To do this in the most formal way, you would first have to have the issuing agency provide you with a certified copy; then, have that certified copy apostilled, or authenticated (some countries, not a party to the Hague Convention), and this then would reach the highest standard for processes of this type.


Hi Tretyakovskii thank you for your reply and I did read about your story previously- congradulations by the way.

I'm pretty sure that the issuing agency for the Celta Certificate is Cambridge University which is located in England. They own the Celta Program. A caveat to that is that someone else pointed out that Cambridge has an office in Mexico as well.

I saw that you were able to put together a sworn affidavit that certified the validity of your TEFL Certificate, and it was accepted in Mexico.

In my case, I want to have the Celta Certificate apostilled so that it would be valid in any country- not just Mexico.

I'm not sure if I were to get my Celta Training in Mexico- if in fact Mexico would be the country to issue the apostille, or would it be England where Cambridge University is located?

So the question has to do more with the transferability to other countries besides Mexico of this Apostilled Celta.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Posts: 462
Location: Cancun, Mexico
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
In my case, I want to have the Celta Certificate apostilled so that it would be valid in any country- not just Mexico.

Apostilling is not enough, it must be a certified, apostilled (or, authenticated) original document, to reach the highest level of verification readily available to us.

I have certified, apostilled orginals of my birth certificate and my college transcript. Getting a certified original of my TEFL certificate proved impossible so I was forced to adopt an alternate approach. You may not run into this difficulty.

With this in mind, you could begin now to determine if you can request that a CELTA certificate be issued as a certified document. CELTA may or may not offer this as an extra cost option for those who have successfully completed their courses. If they do not, you'll be forced back to the proposition mentioned earlier, of attaching a sworn statement to a copy of the CELTA certificate, and having that apostilled.
Ba