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SA_Massive
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Aust
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:09 am Post subject: Nova: Full Time v Flexi Time? Help me out!! |
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Im in Australia and about to be interviewed by NOVA and I'm a bit unsure as to whether I want to work full time as I gather 38 hours a week providing 'edutainment' could be quite draining.....
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Is the flexi-time pay enough to live on?? I hope to be posted to Kyushu.
I dont really understand the salary ranges on the NOVA site.. I will definitely choose the 23 hour/week schedule.. is that top end of the range?
Is Overtime available to Flexi-schedules?? I read somewhere NOVA banned overtime for flexi's... Does anyone know if this is true?
I like the idea of doing flexi-time (working Holiday Visa) and getting another part time job or private lessons.. .... Is this a reasonable plan?? And what is NOVAs likely opinion on this?
Basically I'm prepared to work full time if I have to, but it seems like with Flexi time + overtime/a little part time work I could achieve a full time salary with more free time.
What do you guys think? |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Nova: Full Time v Flexi Time? Help me out!! |
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SA_Massive wrote: |
Is the flexi-time pay enough to live on?? I hope to be posted to Kyushu.
I dont really understand the salary ranges on the NOVA site.. I will definitely choose the 23 hour/week schedule.. is that top end of the range?
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That depends on your rent, what expenses you are bringing with you (student loans, credit card debt, initial funds) your standard of living and what you spend on going out, luxuries etc.
Cost of living in Kyushu, rents etc are much cheaper than Tokyo or big cities. Less to do, so less to spend your money on in many places.
A full time forty hour work week (1-9pm for FT) means you will be actually teaching 26 hours aweek in front of students. A 10 minute break between lessons adds up to one hour a day or 5 hours a week. Add in demo lesson, paperwork, level checks etc...
Not sure what the top is for part time but I think it works out as a pay range of 180-200,000 yen for part time (not sure of the actual teaching/work hours though)
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Is Overtime available to Flexi-schedules?? I read somewhere NOVA banned overtime for flexi's... Does anyone know if this is true?
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I have read about this becuase immigration weas upset about NOVA getting people working overtime full time hours on a WH visa. Not only that they were being paid more than full time teachers on a 40 hour a week contract doing the same hours. As far as I know the policy still stands. FlexTime is just that- part time, not a means to get a full time job by working overtime.
SA_Massive wrote: |
I like the idea of doing flexi-time (working Holiday Visa) and getting another part time job or private lessons.. .... Is this a reasonable plan?? And what is NOVAs likely opinion on this? ? |
On a working holiday visa you are not sponsored by the company, and your initial visa is for 6 months. Technically you can work where you like for short durations, or have several jobs to cover your living costs. NOVA can not and should not dictate to you that you can only work for them when you are on a working holiday visa. If you want sponsorship and work full time get the appropriate visa for that purpose.
Besides, it is not illegal to teach privates outside NOVA or other schools but if you try and poach students from your school to teach privately you will feel a swift NOVA boot up your backside, as many schools expressly forbid you to teach privates, especially ones that you steal from your employer. |
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joncharles
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 132 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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When I worked there our "flex-time" teachers would usually work 10:00-1:20 0r 5:00-9:00. We had one fellow who would call up and volunteer to cover mornings at reachable schools and make it to our school for his afternoon shift.. turns out he had more hours than the regulars and the gates shut down.. It is illegal for people with WH visas to work over a certain amount of hours. However, he did make it up by doing private lessons. Nova does not mind teachers doing that (unless they pull Nova students away). Some other schools will not allow it. I was told by AEON, when I interviewed, that under no circumstances could I teach privately, because I would be under contract to teach exclusively for AEON.
I think Nova workes out okay.. you do get Nova housing if you want it. (usually shared) |
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SA_Massive
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Aust
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:15 am Post subject: |
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AAAh! I was under the impression that there wasnt any working hours restriction on the W H Visa.
Well I think I am leaning towards the full time sponsered position..
At least I wont have too much time to spend my hard earned yen! |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: |
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SA_Massive wrote: |
AAAh! I was under the impression that there wasnt any working hours restriction on the W H Visa.
Well I think I am leaning towards the full time sponsered position..
At least I wont have too much time to spend my hard earned yen! |
I would also such you have a look at the NOVA union web links on http://www.generalunion.org and on http://www.novaunion.com
Good luck.
PH. |
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Canuk girl
Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 60
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Just to let you know.. Nova told me to come on a WH visa, that they weren't hiring full time staff until January. I watched four staff, fresh off the boat, prance into my branch between August 01 and January. I put in a request for full time in January. I was told March, then April, then told I had to wait for my WH visa to expire, but then that that wasn't right, that I had to renew it, and then they said May, and then June. I sat on the phone today complaining to head office about it. They said that they have to make sure teachers can handle the pressure of the change (seeing as its such a mind numbing job), that type changes come only after six months, when people have "proven themselves", but as I have a good record, that a change will be approved once they put through the request, and then I apply for a working visa, which will be about 4 to 6 weeks from that point, and then I have to wait until the beginning of the next month, as they start only on the first of a month. (Meaning that I will be full time 7 months after my request, and 11 months after I arrived in Japan with a plan to stay here for one year) I said I'm not sure exactly why I have to prove myself, seeing as I could have come full time to begin with, and not sat and waited. Added to that, I don't know what the heck I have to prove, besides the fact I'm not willing to kiss anyone�s arss. Add that eight people have left my branch in less than two months time, and they are being replaced with new staff makes a nasty equation to me. If it was me I'd say to heck with anything they tell you, and get a Working visa, and if you hate it.. leave em. (By the way.. I am flexi-time and the money is enough to send a little home every month, but NOTHING compared to what I'd hoped for.. and I thought my hopes were pretty realistic .)
Last edited by Canuk girl on Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Canuckgirl
Just a rumor but...
I heard that the average working life of a female NOVA employee is about six months while its 8 or 9 for males. No idea why though. You might be getting past your use-by date with the company and ready for a change.
Either that or you are dealing with some pretty chauvinistic managers who see you headed out the door anyway. |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Canuck girl, that's just one story of many I've head concerning how NOVA will aribrarily choose someone to jerk around for no apparent reason. It's not financial or managerial - full time teachers make them more money and as you said your school can hardly keep up with teacher demand - it's soley because they're a bad place to work. |
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Canuk girl
Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 60
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Wolf - Oh yeah.. I believe it. I heard a story today from a guy who taught a lesson the way it SAYS to do in the nova book, but when a student complained, he had to, ON HIS OWN TIME, visit the area manager, then write a one page report on what a student needs to level up from one level to the next, and prepare ten new lessons to show the area manager. If I was him my first lesson plan would have been ; lesson point: spending fourty mins learning as many profanities as possible to call your supervisor at work. Lesson two: how to get severance pay out of the suckers who fire you.
And PAULH, you're right... the shelf life on this one is way past its expiration. |
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