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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: Questions for Catholics in Korea |
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I've started going to church here and the people have been quite nice and they have been inviting me outh with them.
I'm a bit worried though. I'm from Canada and was raised in your standard Irish-Catholic kinda house... lots of drinking, mom being amused when I was 16 and stumbling home drunk, funerals full of alcohol and laughter, etc. Are Catholics here anything like that? Seeing the women wear veils, the huge lineups at confession and some other things make me think that the Catholics in Korea are quite conservative.
I'd hate to go out with them and have a night of bible reading and praying.
What have you experienced? |
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winnie
Joined: 08 May 2005
Location: the forest
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:01 am Post subject: |
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God forbid....a Catholic having to read a bible? Isn't that what religious people do?
Just like the other poster looking for a Catholic church on xmas....why bother saying you are Catholic.....if you claim to be of a certain faith, you either go all the time, or don't bother at all.....I think you see where I'm going with this. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Idiot.
I go all the time.
I don't need to spend my free time studying the bible. Being Catholic has nothing to do with studying the bible. It's usually the other Christians that are hung up on the book.
Generosity, compassion, treating others well ... that's how I practice my faith (and of course taking shots of whisky) |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Well, being a French-Canadian "Catholic", I understand the OP's position. For him being Catholic is a matter of culture and being part of a community, thus his relatively liberal attitude. No, you're right. Korean Catholics are a bit on the conservative side of the spectrum. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Newbie"]
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| Being Catholic has nothing to do with studying the bible. |
In what sense then, can you call catholicism Christianity?.
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| It's usually the other Christians that are hung up on the book. |
the real ones, I guess?
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| Generosity, compassion, treating others well ... that's how I practice my faith (and of course taking shots of whisky) |
None of which will save your soul from the fires of Hell, according to the words of God.
I am just using this post to make a point here. I fail to see what catholicism has in common with Christianity.
Don't get me wrong, my best friends are catholic. i've been to mass on a few occasions, and got steamed right after with the rest of the congregation.
If so much as reading the bible once in a while marks you out as a crazed fringe member of a faith..then we're not talking about religion here. Christ and the bible are the centrepiece of Christianity.
Catholicism is to me against Christianity. Look at it logically.
1)It has replaced Christ with worship of Mary, and innumerable material objets: (crying statues, beads, etc ).
2) It is concerned with wealth and politics, and outward displays of them. the vatican is a business, kickstarted by gold and money extricated from millions of murdered jews in WWII.
3) It has made strenuous efforts to eliminate the bible. Down the centuries it has consistently banned reading of the bible and even sentenced to death those who translated it into other languages.
4) It has replaced God, with the Pope- a human representative. This is actually blasphemy by the words of the bible. God needs no intermediary, and no human is divine. Prayer is between man and God at a moments notice wherever you are, not saved to whisper into some guys ear at a confession box.
5) It is not scriptural. For example..the bible does not say a leader of the church must never marry. maybe thats why Catholic priests are associated with out of control paedophilia and lawsuits worldwide.
My opinion...if you see it simply as a social club, a badge of your culture,, whatever, then so be it. But lets not pretend it has anything to do with real faith. For what you want out of going to church, you may as well join a sewing circle or just hit the bar. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:50 am Post subject: |
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[quote="rapier"]
| Newbie wrote: |
Being Catholic has nothing to do with studying the bible. |
| rapier wrote: |
| In what sense then, can you call catholicism Christianity?. |
I should have said that Catholicism doesn't require you to over-study the bible (we have to study it as childre), or put too much stock into what is said in it. Yeah, sure, the world was created in 7 days. And Moses really DID part the Sea 
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| Newbie wrote: |
| It's usually the other Christians that are hung up on the book. |
| rapier wrote: |
| the real ones, I guess? |
How do you consider the splinter groups the "real" ones? We are the originals.
| rapier wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
| Generosity, compassion, treating others well ... that's how I practice my faith (and of course taking shots of whisky) |
| rapier wrote: |
| None of which will save your soul from the fires of Hell, according to the words of God. |
Yeah, the words that have been translated ... how many times now?
[quote="rapier] I am just using this post to make a point here. I fail to see what catholicism has in common with Christianity. |
Perhaps belief in Jesus. I could be mistaken though.
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Catholicism is to me against Christianity. Look at it logically.
1)It has replaced Christ with worship of Mary, and innumerable material objets: (crying statues, beads, etc ). |
Replaced? Who has replaced Christ. Sure, we honor Mary, saints, and some Catholics get really excited over statues, but nobody has been replaced.
[quote="rapier]2) It is concerned with wealth and politics, and outward displays of them. the vatican is a business, kickstarted by gold and money extricated from millions of murdered jews in WWII. |
Yes, it is a business. It's hard not to be when you have so many adherents. "Started in WWII" This shoes your lack of knowledge. This business started long before WWII. Why do you think other Christians started up their separate groups? They weren't happy with the business of the Church.
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3) It has made strenuous efforts to eliminate the bible. Down the centuries it has consistently banned reading of the bible and even sentenced to death those who translated it into other languages. |
Gotta love when people use information hundred and thousands of years old.... The Bible is fiction. Nice stories that show the glory and power of God, but you'd have to be a fool to take it literally. (this is the one place where I feel Catholics completely have it over other Christians. Our ability to accept science yet still have faith. I do respect other Christians, but come on! Taking the bible literally is just foolish)
[quote="rapier"]
4) It has replaced God, with the Pope- a human representative. This is actually blasphemy by the words of the bible. God needs no intermediary, and no human is divine. Prayer is between man and God at a moments notice wherever you are, not saved to whisper into some guys ear at a confession box.
Actually, we believe Jesus instructed us to use the pope as his rep (I could look up the scripture reference if you'd like). Again, no body has been replaced. All Catholics are urged to take up "prayer at moments notice wherever you are". The confession thing I don't always agree with, but we tend to believe priests are closer to God than us and that they make wise counsellors.
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5) It is not scriptural. For example..the bible does not say a leader of the church must never marry. maybe thats why Catholic priests are associated with out of control paedophilia and lawsuits worldwide. |
Again, relying too much on the scriptures is foolish. Old Testament aside, even the New Testament (and this is me as a Religion student in university talking, not as a Catholic) is full of gaps and easy to find faults with. You can't believe everything the bible says. It was written well after events actually took place and it was modified so much by its authors in attempts to appeal to their audiences.
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| My opinion...if you see it simply as a social club, a badge of your culture,, whatever, then so be it. But lets not pretend it has anything to do with real faith. For what you want out of going to church, you may as well join a sewing circle or just hit the bar. |
Church is not simply a social club for me. I never used it that way back home. But here, some people wanted to take me out and I was worried that they might be like SOME "other" Christians you hear about that are really conservative. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:51 am Post subject: |
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[quote="rapier"]
| Newbie wrote: |
| Being Catholic has nothing to do with studying the bible. |
| rapier wrote: |
| In what sense then, can you call catholicism Christianity?. |
I should have said that Catholicism doesn't require you to over-study the bible (we have to study it as childre), or put too much stock into what is said in it. Yeah, sure, the world was created in 7 days. And Moses really DID part the Sea
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| Newbie wrote: |
| It's usually the other Christians that are hung up on the book. |
| rapier wrote: |
| the real ones, I guess? |
How do you consider the splinter groups the "real" ones? We are the originals.
| rapier wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
| Generosity, compassion, treating others well ... that's how I practice my faith (and of course taking shots of whisky) |
| rapier wrote: |
| None of which will save your soul from the fires of Hell, according to the words of God. |
Yeah, the words that have been translated ... how many times now?
[quote="rapier] I am just using this post to make a point here. I fail to see what catholicism has in common with Christianity. |
Perhaps belief in Jesus. I could be mistaken though.
| rapier wrote: |
Catholicism is to me against Christianity. Look at it logically.
1)It has replaced Christ with worship of Mary, and innumerable material objets: (crying statues, beads, etc ). |
Replaced? Who has replaced Christ. Sure, we honor Mary, saints, and some Catholics get really excited over statues, but nobody has been replaced.
[quote="rapier]2) It is concerned with wealth and politics, and outward displays of them. the vatican is a business, kickstarted by gold and money extricated from millions of murdered jews in WWII. |
Yes, it is a business. It's hard not to be when you have so many adherents. "Started in WWII" This shoes your lack of knowledge. This business started long before WWII. Why do you think other Christians started up their separate groups? They weren't happy with the business of the Church.
| rapier wrote: |
3) It has made strenuous efforts to eliminate the bible. Down the centuries it has consistently banned reading of the bible and even sentenced to death those who translated it into other languages. |
Gotta love when people use information hundred and thousands of years old.... The Bible is fiction. Nice stories that show the glory and power of God, but you'd have to be a fool to take it literally. (this is the one place where I feel Catholics completely have it over other Christians. Our ability to accept science yet still have faith. I do respect other Christians, but come on! Taking the bible literally is just foolish)
[quote="rapier"]
4) It has replaced God, with the Pope- a human representative. This is actually blasphemy by the words of the bible. God needs no intermediary, and no human is divine. Prayer is between man and God at a moments notice wherever you are, not saved to whisper into some guys ear at a confession box.
Actually, we believe Jesus instructed us to use the pope as his rep (I could look up the scripture reference if you'd like). Again, no body has been replaced. All Catholics are urged to take up "prayer at moments notice wherever you are". The confession thing I don't always agree with, but we tend to believe priests are closer to God than us and that they make wise counsellors.
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5) It is not scriptural. For example..the bible does not say a leader of the church must never marry. maybe thats why Catholic priests are associated with out of control paedophilia and lawsuits worldwide. |
Again, relying too much on the scriptures is foolish. Old Testament aside, even the New Testament (and this is me as a Religion student in university talking, not as a Catholic) is full of gaps and easy to find faults with. You can't believe everything the bible says. It was written well after events actually took place and it was modified so much by its authors in attempts to appeal to their audiences.
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| My opinion...if you see it simply as a social club, a badge of your culture,, whatever, then so be it. But lets not pretend it has anything to do with real faith. For what you want out of going to church, you may as well join a sewing circle or just hit the bar. |
Church is not simply a social club for me. I never used it that way back home. But here, some people wanted to take me out and I was worried that they might be like SOME "other" Christians you hear about that are really conservative. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Ya'll do know that Christianity isn't a religion, but rather a philosophy? And that of the Christian religions, Catholicism is the oldest (ignoring the schisms, orthodox, roman, etc.)
But all that aside... I was raised Italian Catholic, and we drink. Has nothing to do with studying the bible, well, it does, as you better know the bible.
As for not believing that God creaed the world in 7 days or that Moses really DID part the red sea? To say otherwise is decidedly unCatholic (fortunately for me, I'm no longer a member.. of any Christian sect). The only logical approach to the seeming impossibilities presented by the Bible? Is that 7 days to God might represent millenium to man, but Moses did part the Red Sea. As for the rest of the Christian religions, well I have nothing against them as I have nothing against Catholicism, but frankly, it would be nice if they were a bit more original... I mean... Peter *was* the first Pope, and he *was* kinda down with JC. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Newbie"]
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| I should have said that Catholicism doesn't require you to over-study the bible (we have to study it as childre), or put too much stock into what is said in it. Yeah, sure, the world was created in 7 days. And Moses really DID part the Sea |
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| The Bible is fiction...Taking the bible literally is just foolish) |
You sneer at the word of God? Some Christian.
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| Yeah, the words that have been translated ... how many times now? |
The policy of catholicism has been to alter, tamper with, water down and translate faultily the bible ever since they realised they couldn't ban it. Now you can say it has no credibility, because you've deliberately meddled with it for so long. fortunately, catholic invented versions are not the only bibles that have survived.
All of that aside... how can Catholicism be divine when it has such a shameful history?
for example..how do you explain this?
1. The vatican granted protection to Nazis in return for Gold and money stolen from Jewish holocaust victims. It still refuses to open its archives to international legal inspection- although all other nations involved have done so already.
2.Pius XII did nothing even though he had full knowledge of the unfolding holocaust....the Catholic bishop of Berlin, the Eastern Rite Catholic metropolitan in Lvov, the Catholic cardinal of Krakow all actively provided Jews to the Nazi death camps, for example..
3. Catholic prriests and paedophile pervets are almost synonymous. The catholic church is riven with uncountable. numerous cases of child abuse. You would almost say it is a job requirement.
4) The pope has banned the bible, corrupted and ruinously translated it, not to mention putting to death those who sought to ensure its survival.
Check this site out dude.."Priests of darkness".Might interest you.
http://www.theharrowing.com/gold.html
Well it would be a looong thread to research and discuss catholicism, not sure if I'm up to tackling it...would definitely be interesting though...the litany of evil going back centuries, the future pope antichrist, the profiteering, corruption, the 24 miles of bookshelves- secret library of crimes committed by the catholic church that is locked away in the Vatican: the million or so claims for compensation by child abuse victims, the organised parties of paedophilia: the murder of christians, the pursuit of political power and wealth, the satan worshippers that form the heart of the Vatican..etc etc.
Its probably too much to get to grips with.
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| So, Rapier, considering your hatred for the Universal church, what "religion" or rather "Denomination" do you suggest? And no cheating by saying "Christian" or "protestant". What kind of protestant? Bear in mind that I am of no demonination or religious bend, but this could be interesting as you are attacking the religion of Newbie and a large percentage of the world. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: |
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The case against the Roman Catholic church would make Saddam look like mother Theresa.
exhibit 1:
The execution of William tyndale. Crime: translating the real bible into English. Meanwhile the pope produces "the revised catholic version".
"At last, after much reasoning, when no reason would serve, although he deserved no death, he was condemned by virtue of the emperor's decree, made in the assembly at Augsburg. Brought forth to the place of execution, he was tied to the stake, strangled by the hangman, and afterwards consumed with fire, at the town of Vilvorde, A.D. 1536; crying at the stake with a fervent zeal, and a loud voice, "Lord! open the king of England's eyes."
http://www.bible-researcher.com/tyndale1.html
The catholic church murders a saint to protect their political power base. Fortunately their attempt to snuff out the true gospel failed.
Such was the power of his doctrine, and the sincerity of his life, that during the time of his imprisonment (which endured a year and a half), he converted, it is said, his keeper, the keeper's daughter, and others of his household.
As touching his translation of the New Testament, because his enemies did so much carp at it, pretending it to be full of heresies, he wrote to John Frith, as followeth, "I call God to record against the day we shall appear before our Lord Jesus, that I never altered one syllable of God's Word against my conscience, nor would do this day, if all that is in earth, whether it be honor, pleasure, or riches, might be given me."
Cardinals burned the real bible. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Demonicat wrote: |
| So, Rapier, considering your hatred for the Universal church, what "religion" or rather "Denomination" do you suggest? And no cheating by saying "Christian" or "protestant". What kind of protestant? Bear in mind that I am of no demonination or religious bend, but this could be interesting as you are attacking the religion of Newbie and a large percentage of the world. |
I'm interested in truth, thats all. ot insulting anyone. I reccomend no demoniation, as I'm no churchgoer myself. However i recommend people follow no human based religious/money making organisation, but follow Jesus Christ and read the bible. The real one, King james version. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| pope's proud prelacy, so the great prince of darkness, with his impious imps |
Hee hee. Struggling for an adjective? Er.. an...an impious imp, that's what kind of imp! 
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
Catholicism is to me against Christianity. Look at it logically.
1)It has replaced Christ with worship of Mary, and innumerable material objets: (crying statues, beads, etc ). |
Wrong.
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| 2) It is concerned with wealth and politics, and outward displays of them. the vatican is a business, kickstarted by gold and money extricated from millions of murdered jews in WWII. |
Has nothing to do with any given individual's belief. And the church was wealthy long before WWII.
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| 3) It has made strenuous efforts to eliminate the bible. Down the centuries it has consistently banned reading of the bible and even sentenced to death those who translated it into other languages. |
Don't know the veracity of this, but also irrelevant to a person's faith. Also, look at all the whacked out crap many protestant churches teach that is completely intolerant, thus, non-Christian. Kinda like you saying a Catholic isn't a Christian.
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| 4) It has replaced God, with the Pope- a human representative. This is actually blasphemy by the words of the bible. God needs no intermediary, and no human is divine. Prayer is between man and God at a moments notice wherever you are, not saved to whisper into some guys ear at a confession box. |
Completely incorrect. Nobody prays to the Pope. And the church makes no claim of divinity. It does state, as do all protestant churches, that God works through people. E.g., the writers of teh Gospels.... Thanks for straightening out for us all what confession is!! I'll be sure to ONLY do it in the moment without any reflection whatsoever...
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| 5) It is not scriptural. For example..the bible does not say a leader of the church must never marry. maybe thats why Catholic priests are associated with out of control paedophilia and lawsuits worldwide. |
That is a church ruling, and a job description, essentially, not an article of faith. Irrelevant.
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| My opinion...if you see it simply as a social club, a badge of your culture,, whatever, then so be it. But lets not pretend it has anything to do with real faith. For what you want out of going to church, you may as well join a sewing circle or just hit the bar. |
Drivel. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| ...and read the bible. The real one, King james version. |
This actually got a giggle out of me... |
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