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phoenixstorm
Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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 Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: Questions about Avalon |
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| I've been through the threads on avalon, but couldn't find anything that told me what the salary was like. any info out there? |
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k is for korea
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: |
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about 2.1 million won
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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The teachers I know that work for them locally...low wages...all newbies...all figuring out their elbow from their...well, you know...great commercials though.
Franchise schools are like McDonald's and Subway...you can put them in a gas station...it doesn't mean you want to eat lunch there.
I think that's going to be my new signature! |
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k is for korea
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
The teachers I know that work for them locally...low wages...all newbies...all figuring out their elbow from their...well, you know...great commercials though.
Franchise schools are like McDonald's and Subway...you can put them in a gas station...it doesn't mean you want to eat lunch there.
I think that's going to be my new signature! |
gosh, that's so clever and witty...*high five for creativity*
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k is for korea
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
The teachers I know that work for them locally...low wages...all newbies...all figuring out their elbow from their...well, you know...great commercials though.
Franchise schools are like McDonald's and Subway...you can put them in a gas station...it doesn't mean you want to eat lunch there.
I think that's going to be my new signature! |
it's pretty amazing how most of the people on here are so cynical...instead of just answering a question for new people, you just have to be a jerk about it and leave some sarcastic, insulting comments...i'm under the impression the non-newbies on here went to korea knowing everything and never made any mistakes...must be nice...i wish my research had been more informative so i could be so lucky and helpful as the rest of you!
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| k is for korea wrote: |
| DongtanTony wrote: |
The teachers I know that work for them locally...low wages...all newbies...all figuring out their elbow from their...well, you know...great commercials though.
Franchise schools are like McDonald's and Subway...you can put them in a gas station...it doesn't mean you want to eat lunch there.
I think that's going to be my new signature! |
it's pretty amazing how most of the people on here are so cynical...instead of just answering a question for new people, you just have to be a jerk about it and leave some sarcastic, insulting comments...i'm under the impression the non-newbies on here went to korea knowing everything and never made any mistakes...must be nice...i wish my research had been more informative so i could be so lucky and helpful as the rest of you!
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the question was answered. Low wages, newbies hired. It's a franchise school. stay away unless you want to teach 120 hours week and get treated like shgite.
similar to a franchise subway store in a gas station, the employees are cheap labor and replaceable . The reply was funny, but not sarcastic. It took a little thought understand the mcD's and subway joke, but it was not sarcastic. just realistic.
All chains pretty much offer the same low pay rate.... avoid them. |
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k is for korea
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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let me be more specific...i wasn't just referring to dongtan tony's response...and you're right...the question was answered...vaguely...i guess if i want to know how much someone is paying, i wouldn't want an answer that says 'low wages,' i'd want one with a specific amount...
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Questions about Avalon |
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| phoenixstorm wrote: |
| I've been through the threads on avalon, but couldn't find anything that told me what the salary was like. any info out there? |
I cannot speak for the reputation of Avalon. However it would be a good idea to ask questions to foreign teachers (past > if possible & present).
1 ) What are your working hours?
2 ) When do you take your breaks and how long are they?
3 ) When do you prepare for classes and how long do you prepare for them?
4 ) What does a working hour consist of?
5 ) How many classes do you teach per week?
6 ) Are you always paid on time?
7 ) Does your employer provide you with a pay receipt clearly stating wages, deductions, taxes?
8 ) Has your employer provided you with a health insurance card?
9 ) Does your employer pay into the Korean Pension Plan?
10 ) Does your employer deduct accordingly from your monthly salary for income taxes?
11 ) When and how do you take your paid annual leave?
12 ) How many students do you generally teach per class?
13 ) How many students attend the school?
14 ) Is the school in financial trouble?
15 ) Does your employer pay teachers their severance pay?
16 ) Does your employer pay overtimes wages or avoid paying them? |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| k is for korea wrote: |
it's pretty amazing how most of the people on here are so cynical...instead of just answering a question for new people, you just have to be a jerk about it and leave some sarcastic, insulting comments...i'm under the impression the non-newbies on here went to korea knowing everything and never made any mistakes...must be nice...i wish my research had been more informative so i could be so lucky and helpful as the rest of you!
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Wouldn't it have been better just to come on here and be honest about working for the school, instead of pretending to be a foreign English teacher. |
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k is for korea
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it have been better just to come on here and be honest about working for the school, instead of pretending to be a foreign English teacher. |
who is pretending to be a foreign english teacher?
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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K is for Korea...truly, if I offended, I apologize. That was not my intention.
The poster before myself claimed 2.1.
I stated, that with the Avalon in my neighborhood, and the teachers that I've met come and go from that particular location, lower wages (comparing that to myself yes) and they do have a propensity to hire all newbie teachers.
They aren't the only franchise that does that...a lot of the brand name schools love newbies...it keeps wages low. Plus...they believe just about anybody can come into their building and teach their system...which can have its advantages honestly.
I apologize about the McDonald's comment...but truly...franchise schools are best compared to the fast food franchise industry of the west. Sure...there's a home office...but your local McD's or Subway has very little to comply with. They keep the menu the same, maybe one or two local offerings, but they have very little accountability with "central" management. A franchise pays for the right to use the name and system...other than that...all day to day operational control is centered around local "in-house" management (i.e., your owner/director). Just because schools like Avalon, CDI, and ECC are located in every little corner of Korea...does not mean they are managed similarly, pay similar wages, or teach similar curriculum.
Usually...I'm not the cynic...please...check out some of my other posts for proof...I was just having this same conversation the other day about franchises...I used the fast food analogy then...I was being a smart **s, admittedly. |
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k is for korea
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
K is for Korea...truly, if I offended, I apologize. That was not my intention.
The poster before myself claimed 2.1.
I stated, that with the Avalon in my neighborhood, and the teachers that I've met come and go from that particular location, lower wages (comparing that to myself yes) and they do have a propensity to hire all newbie teachers.
They aren't the only franchise that does that...a lot of the brand name schools love newbies...it keeps wages low. Plus...they believe just about anybody can come into their building and teach their system...which can have its advantages honestly.
I apologize about the McDonald's comment...but truly...franchise schools are best compared to the fast food franchise industry of the west. Sure...there's a home office...but your local McD's or Subway has very little to comply with. They keep the menu the same, maybe one or two local offerings, but they have very little accountability with "central" management. A franchise pays for the right to use the name and system...other than that...all day to day operational control is centered around local "in-house" management (i.e., your owner/director). Just because schools like Avalon, CDI, and ECC are located in every little corner of Korea...does not mean they are managed similarly, pay similar wages, or teach similar curriculum.
Usually...I'm not the cynic...please...check out some of my other posts for proof...I was just having this same conversation the other day about franchises...I used the fast food analogy then...I was being a smart **s, admittedly. |
i wasn't offended, that's mea culpa for making it seem that way...it just gets old reading all the negative things people write on here, especially because very few of them are helpful...i understand your comparison between the fast food restaurants...makes perfect sense...and i did check your other posts, kudos for the helpful information you have given...i'm sure at some point i'll be using it!
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PsykLaw
Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Location: earth
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about Avalon |
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My neighbor works for them and we have talked extensively about each other's workplace. Here is what I am aware of:
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| phoenixstorm wrote: |
| I've been through the threads on avalon, but couldn't find anything that told me what the salary was like. any info out there? |
I cannot speak for the reputation of Avalon. However it would be a good idea to ask questions to foreign teachers (past > if possible & present).
1 ) What are your working hours?
afternoons like just about any other hogwon.
2 ) When do you take your breaks and how long are they?
breaks are dependent upon the class requirements, director's wishes, and the head NS' ability to schedule
3 ) When do you prepare for classes and how long do you prepare for them?
not sure about this one. i believe it's about an hour depending upon the campus.
4 ) What does a working hour consist of?
She doesn't get home until 10:30pm.
5 ) How many classes do you teach per week?
not sure here
6 ) Are you always paid on time?
yes (haven't heard her complain yet).
7 ) Does your employer provide you with a pay receipt clearly stating wages, deductions, taxes?
yes
8 ) Has your employer provided you with a health insurance card?
yes
9 ) Does your employer pay into the Korean Pension Plan?
not sure here either. i would think so since a pay stub is issued but that doesn't mean that it actually occurs. this would require calling the appropriate government office...good luck with that.
10 ) Does your employer deduct accordingly from your monthly salary for income taxes?
see above
11 ) When and how do you take your paid annual leave?
not entirely sure on this one.
12 ) How many students do you generally teach per class?
smaller classes as far as i can tell. under 20 i believe. this may also be dependent upon school location as well being that it is a franchise.
13 ) How many students attend the school?
see above
14 ) Is the school in financial trouble?
did any of the foreign teachers in japan know about nova beforehand?
15 ) Does your employer pay teachers their severance pay?
not sure here either. need input from a former teacher on this one.
16 ) Does your employer pay overtimes wages or avoid paying them?
once again, need input from either a former teacher or current teacher.
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By and by, this hasn't appeared shaddy to me. As some other neighbors tend to come and go long before their contract is up. She has been there for quite a while. That's really about all I have on that. Hope it helps until someone with more direct experience can step in. |
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DeLaRed
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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what are the typical working hours? 2pm onwards?
Anyone posters here currently working at Avalon? |
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highdials5
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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what are the typical working hours? 2pm onwards?
Anyone posters here currently working at Avalon? |
I've just been offered a contract with Avalon and I'm mulling it over right now.
Working hours are either 3-10pm or 4-11pm, except for the annoying intensives that happen in summer and winter.
Classes are 80 minutes long - 2-3 daily. |
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