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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Sarah's Reply to Roch |
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| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
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| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
| It's just a cultural thing. Koreans just eat louder than Westerners are used to. It's a sign that the food is delicious. Just deal with it, or eat meals seperately from them. It's not worth the time nor the effort complaining about it. |
As the 45 year old pig alleged, "it's a cultural difference." Well, this unacceptable cultural difference was not what ticked me off: It was their unnecessary dig/taunt directed at me for being a caucasian.
Hey, Canuck, how about I do something very offensive and hide behind the lame excuse/lie that "it's a cultural difference"? What do you think of that?
By the way, are you married or attached to a Korean?
Anyway, thanks for your reply.
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Not that it's any of your business, but yes, I am attached to a Korean. And to be quite honest, I was horrified the first time I ever saw him eat. I just sat there and stared with chopsticks in hand. Then my horror gradually turned to amusement which turned to complete indifference. I'm really not going to flip out over something so trivial.
And say that you've been chewing your nails for your entire life. Someone is REALLY offended by nail biting, and tells you so. You might stop biting your nails for a while, but the second that you stop consciously thinking about it, you're going to go right back to biting them again.
When you're eating with them, use your imagination. Pretend you are sitting with a bunch of starving people having their first meal in weeks. Pretend you're watching a bunch of people on death row eating their last meal. Heck, pretend that you're watching a viking eat a giant leg of lamb right off the bone and slurping down huge tankards of mead. But whatever you do, just remember: there are more important battles to fight than how loudly people eat. |
You remind me of a Sarah from Halifax that I met at Dalhousie University: Politically correct to the max and illogical.
Who said that I was "fighting a battle?" I referred to a taunt/dig thrown at me. Why don't you address the guy's dig, Sarah? |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting thread, I have never actually met rude Korean eaters. In fact I was quite surprised with how polite most of them are. They are very conscious of the fact that I can use chopsticks and they have even pointed out my mistakes with etiquette regarding how to eat at a Korean table. I guess it depends who you hang out with, there are polite and rude people in all societies. Since Korea is a developing country I would assume you would meet more people who are not well mannered.
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
Yeah, I know you do not like me.
R |
Eh? I don't even know you
I just don't think that eating noise is something to get worked up over.
Still, I feel your pain. Sometimes living in this country drives me to the brink of madness. |
Again, it's the metaphorical middle finger that was stuck in my face with their sudden announcement that they know such *beep* is bad but they refuse to stop.
So, what do you suggest I do to gross them out? |
So, is it "bad" to shake hands rather than bow to each other in the U.S., for example? Or to chew with your mouth closed? Or not speak more politely to someone a few years older than yourself?
"These Koreans, they act like Koreans! What are they thinking?? There's a Non-Korean GOD in thgeir midsts!!"
Crikey. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
Yeah, I know you do not like me.
R |
Eh? I don't even know you
I just don't think that eating noise is something to get worked up over.
Still, I feel your pain. Sometimes living in this country drives me to the brink of madness. |
Again, it's the metaphorical middle finger that was stuck in my face with their sudden announcement that they know such *beep* is bad but they refuse to stop.
So, what do you suggest I do to gross them out? |
So, is it "bad" to shake hands rather than bow to each other in the U.S., for example? Or to chew with your mouth closed? Or not speak more politely to someone a few years older than yourself?
"These Koreans, they act like Koreans! What are they thinking?? There's a Non-Korean GOD in thgeir midsts!!"
Crikey. |
Does anyone in the world find bowing, chewing with one's mouth closed, or being polite disgusting? No. There are other things, on the other hand, that numerous, large cultures do find disgusting, like eating with one's mouth open. I go to the toilet to blow my nose; if a country like Canada were desperate to learn Korean and learn about Korea, imported a bunch of Koreans for this purpose, and knew that many Koreans find this disgusting, blowing one's nose in front of a Korean willfully oblivious to his disgust could legitimately be considered rude. If Canadians continued blowing their noses because it was an ingrained habit and they always forgot about Koreans' disgust that would be different. |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I recommend we start a new "Western tradition". Let's all fart in elevators..when the Koreans looks over at you..just smile and nod. Then let one more go...
I love the fact that Koreans don't sweat and don't need deoderant. Ever smell 20 K-teachers in a small room during the summer..holy hell. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: OINK!!! |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
I recommend we start a new "Western tradition". Let's all fart in elevators..when the Koreans looks over at you..just smile and nod. Then let one more go...
I love the fact that Koreans don't sweat and don't need deoderant. Ever smell 20 K-teachers in a small room during the summer..holy hell. |
Word to you. |
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Sarah's Reply to Roch |
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| Roch wrote: |
| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
| It's just a cultural thing. Koreans just eat louder than Westerners are used to. It's a sign that the food is delicious. Just deal with it, or eat meals seperately from them. It's not worth the time nor the effort complaining about it. |
As the 45 year old pig alleged, "it's a cultural difference." Well, this unacceptable cultural difference was not what ticked me off: It was their unnecessary dig/taunt directed at me for being a caucasian.
Hey, Canuck, how about I do something very offensive and hide behind the lame excuse/lie that "it's a cultural difference"? What do you think of that?
By the way, are you married or attached to a Korean?
Anyway, thanks for your reply.
R |
Not that it's any of your business, but yes, I am attached to a Korean. And to be quite honest, I was horrified the first time I ever saw him eat. I just sat there and stared with chopsticks in hand. Then my horror gradually turned to amusement which turned to complete indifference. I'm really not going to flip out over something so trivial.
And say that you've been chewing your nails for your entire life. Someone is REALLY offended by nail biting, and tells you so. You might stop biting your nails for a while, but the second that you stop consciously thinking about it, you're going to go right back to biting them again.
When you're eating with them, use your imagination. Pretend you are sitting with a bunch of starving people having their first meal in weeks. Pretend you're watching a bunch of people on death row eating their last meal. Heck, pretend that you're watching a viking eat a giant leg of lamb right off the bone and slurping down huge tankards of mead. But whatever you do, just remember: there are more important battles to fight than how loudly people eat. |
You remind me of a Sarah from Halifax that I met at Dalhousie University: Politically correct to the max and illogical.
Who said that I was "fighting a battle?" I referred to a taunt/dig thrown at me. Why don't you address the guy's dig, Sarah? |
Look, I'm not saying that it isn't rude for them to continue to make noises even though they are highly aware of how much it disgusts you. Sounds like you work with some very passive agressive people.
So your coworkers suck and they are rude, OKAY. I agree.
However, lots of Koreans eat loudly, and they aren't doing it to personally annoy you. It's just what they do. I just think it's sort of a silly thing to get worked up over.
P.S. All Sarahs are politically correct and illogical. It's in our genetics. Haven't you read the scientific studies? |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: |
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I wouldnt change my behaviour in my own country in a group of friends/coworkers just because there was one Korean person. We sometimes wear our shoes inside back home, Im not going to start taking them off just because it would make a korean person feel more comfortable. Im not going to let everyone older than me tell me what to do just because its the right way to do it in Korea..... I wouldnt change my life either and I dont think that Koreans should for us - even if it means we will be offended, disgusted, grossed out, whatever.
You cant handle it? Suck it up or go home. Korea is Korea, not a version of the place we came from. |
I hope that your simplisitic argument is aimed at someone else because I have never let on to a Korean that I do not enjoy having a meal with Koreans. That is, as you put it, I've been handling it for several years. So, I must be in your good books - right?
We accomodate Asians in North America but when is the last time a Korean or any other Asian went out of her or his way to accomodate a so-called white person? |
I wasnt aiming this at you personally, more generally. However, your post came across as complaining at the fact that the teachers know that the way they eat bothers you and that refusing to stop is somehow a personal attack. I dont think it was in spite of you, but more like acknowledging the difference and letting you know that 'this is how its done in korea'. I'd expect more tolerance seeing as youve been here such a long time. I wouldnt change my habits for foreigners if I were in my own country and the habits were common and acceptable there. I have never heard a single Korean complain about the slurping noises made at a meal either. Im not saying it doesnt bother me, it does gross me out but I understand that Im not in my home country anymore and there will be things I dont like here. I accept it and move on.
So what youre telling me is that racism against asians does not exist in North America?? You made some pretty big generalisations.
Ive had a terrific experience in Korea, though I know there are people out there that havent. However, almost all koreans Ive met have been very accommodating. Most koreans I spend any time with have made an effort to make me feel more comfortable. My boss and teachers are really kind. Ive been invited into strangers homes for meals, vacations, to celebrate festivals or korean ceremonies/holidays..... a lot more than I can honestly say about people back home.
Besides, why should 48 million people change because a few thousand foreigners in the country are uncomfortable about the way they eat? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Besides, why should 48 million people change because a few thousand foreigners in the country are uncomfortable about the way they eat? |
Same reason they buy sofas and never sit on them? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| sheba wrote: |
| Besides, why should 48 million people change because a few thousand foreigners in the country are uncomfortable...? |
Car Seat Requirement in Korea is Short-lived
More children in Korea are killed by vehicles -- in traffic accidents or on the street -- than in any other of the 29 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
"We don't have to do what foreigners do in their countries. We have our own way to take care of babies," another posting at the agency's Web site said.
by Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (August 7, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200608/06/200608062231105209900090409041.html
Koreans Ignore Smoking Ban on International Flights
by Lee Jin-woo, Korea Times (November 25, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200411/kt2004112518345211970.htm
TB Infections in Korea Highest in OECD
Chosun Ilbo (March 23, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503230041.html
TB: the Return of an Ancient Scourge
"It's estimated that such cases where a group of people come down with TB take place relatively frequently in crowded places....
Chosun Ilbo (December 11, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200612/200612110002.html
Kimchi and Soybean Pastes Are Risk Factors of Gastric Cancer
ISSN 1007-9327 CN 14-1219/R World J Gastroenterol 2005 June 7;11(21):3175-3181
http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/11/3175.asp
Miguk Naemse - Smell of Americans
[Stone Mirror] By David I. Steinberg, Korea Times (March 2, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200303/kt2003030217021511600.htm |
Why, thank you very much Torontonian. It seems that you're one of the only regulars here who has some balls and integrity.
God bless, R.R.! |
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alinkorea
Joined: 02 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Poor table manners, especially loud chomping and eating with ones mouth open, are not part of some Korean traditional eating culture. In Korea, as in the West, it's considered polite not to eat loudly or with ones mouth open. Obviously though in Korea, a differing degree of emphasis is placed upon it.
I'm totally against the West imposing it's standards on the rest of world, be they political, social or economic. But that's not happening in this case. Korea desperately wants to be seen by the rest of the World, as a modern advanced nation. Although only a tiny detail, good table manners are part of the deal. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| sheba wrote: |
| Besides, why should 48 million people change because a few thousand foreigners in the country are uncomfortable...? |
Car Seat Requirement in Korea is Short-lived
More children in Korea are killed by vehicles -- in traffic accidents or on the street -- than in any other of the 29 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
"We don't have to do what foreigners do in their countries. We have our own way to take care of babies," another posting at the agency's Web site said.
by Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (August 7, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200608/06/200608062231105209900090409041.html
Koreans Ignore Smoking Ban on International Flights
by Lee Jin-woo, Korea Times (November 25, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200411/kt2004112518345211970.htm
TB Infections in Korea Highest in OECD
Chosun Ilbo (March 23, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503230041.html
TB: the Return of an Ancient Scourge
"It's estimated that such cases where a group of people come down with TB take place relatively frequently in crowded places....
Chosun Ilbo (December 11, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200612/200612110002.html
Kimchi and Soybean Pastes Are Risk Factors of Gastric Cancer
ISSN 1007-9327 CN 14-1219/R World J Gastroenterol 2005 June 7;11(21):3175-3181
http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/11/3175.asp
Miguk Naemse - Smell of Americans
[Stone Mirror] By David I. Steinberg, Korea Times (March 2, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200303/kt2003030217021511600.htm |
Wow, lets just cut and paste what people say to take it way out of context. I believe my post was about EATING, not health and safety. Big difference. |
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Old fat expat

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Had a Korean male friend explain to me that men like to "be tough" when they eat. Eating politely is considered efeminate. He complained to me about my placing noodles onto my spoon before eating as my being weak. I reminded him that 15 years of front row rugby left me with no doubt as to my manlyness and I was preparred to be tested on toughness at any time he choose. He shut-up.
Everything here is a facade. Men are pretenders. Eating rough is a way of saying they are tough. Smoking is a way of saying they are tough. Spitting is a way of saying they are tough. They only pretend to be tough. |
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Old fat expat

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, figured this question was comming.
I know many girls back home that also want to act 'tough'. Get tatoos, drink excessively, dress like hookers. No-one really wants their wife, daughter, sister to actually be a hooker. None the less many act is if they are.
People tend to select themselves into social groups that give them an identity. Men here select the 'tough' farmer identity-gives them a sense of roots. Women are making the same selection to be with that group. If you act like the group-you are in the group.
I might be out on a limb here, but group identity seems important to Koreans.  |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't believe foreigners are saying that it is a Korean custom to eat slovenly. That's not true at all. Many Koreans would be disgusted at their behaviour just as much as this board. Sadly, being raised without manners ain't uncommon in this country. Bad habits die hard. |
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