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shaun k
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| ...and i might add, my girlfriend doesnt even spend the night here, to show respect to her family. she goes back to her own place that she shares with her sister. the boss doesnt even want her to visit me here. |
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Howard Roark
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't agree that the apartment is "his", in this or all cases. You don't pay the rent yourself but housing is part of your pay. It would be the same thing if they just paid you more and you paid the rent money yourself. This just cuts out a step. By the logic that the house belongs to and should be controlled by the owner couldn't you also say the monetary salary also belongs to the owner? And the owner could tell you how to spend it? Same thing. I'd tell him to take a flying leap. |
Except that in Korea the apartment renter must put down a huge chunk of change to get an apartment so there is no illusion as to who the apartment belongs to. And the actions of the teacher may reflect upon the school.
My solution remains the best solution. |
So what? That doesn't change my point. The housing is part of the package. What the director has to do to get the housing doesn't change that. Furthermore, many teachers pay their own key money. Do you think those teachers own their apartments? Can those teachers have whatever visitors they want?
Also, I wouldn't call key money a "huuuuge" amount of money. What if it's like 500 000? For 40 000won (which they likely will get back) a month the director gets to control who comes to your house?
I don't see how the payment of key money makes any difference. What about the original owner of the house? Should they also have a say?
If you rented an apartment in your home country, surely the "owner" of the building is paying out more than 40 000 a month for insurance and the upkeep of the place? Does that person get to tell you who can visit you?
Anyways, the boss is arguing cultural impropriety. It's not really about who owns the place. |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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key money 500000? 
try around 8-20 million at a minimum, usually, and that for a small one room to small 3 room apartment. |
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Howard Roark
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I have no experience with key money. But a few friends have had pay like 500 000won when they moved into their places, like a damage deposit I guess. I thought that was what "key money" was.
Anyways, I stand by my first point. The apartment is part of the deal. Whatever the director has to do to get it doesn't change that fact. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Why does it not surprise me that the hagwon owner is being such a miserable feces about after you're married too? |
Who said that? Example one said they are getting married later. Example two said they eventually married after being fired. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, I wouldn't call key money a "huuuuge" amount of money. What if it's like 500 000? |
Some people get lucky when they decide to move into a slum or old building. Any modern style apartment will cost in the tens of millions, while offictels will place an opening bid at 5 million if you're lucky.
That said, while I disagree with the bosses decision to say "no women" in the apartment, no amount of dancing around the issue can change the reality that he can lay down this rule. A teacher can scream bloody murder or try and negociate for permission to have anyone over, but it's not a "right".
<insert image of 19 year old living at home trying to tell his mom he's an adult and can invite anyone over he wants to his room because it's his room> |
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kimcheeking
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The poster formerly known as CO2.0 is a few waves short of a shipwreck. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Gordo, go back and read the OPs
Getting married in December (soon Gord!)
Married or not, NO Korean women in the apt...
Who the christ said anything about "fired?"
Gotta stop with that soju bud.... |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Gordo, go back and read the OPs
Getting married in December (soon Gord!)
Married or not, NO Korean women in the apt...
Who the christ said anything about "fired?"
Gotta stop with that soju bud.... |
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Ok, let's recap.
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| Why does it not surprise me that the hagwon owner is being such a miserable feces about after you're married too? |
This is using the past tense, as in it has already happened. To which I went Where's The Flag? The only person who said anything about someone already being married was Anda who said:
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| My Korean boss fired his manager for being seen with his top english teacher. She left shortly afterwards and has since married him. |
You were commenting on a situation that has not occured. I thought perhaps that you had misread what Anda had said, but instead now we see you were just engaging in a slippery slope argument. |
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canuckistan
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I was not referring in any way, shape, or form to anything Anda posted.
I have been referring to the OP's info exclusively.
Getting married soon
Boss sais no K-women in his apt, married or not.
I am too butt-lazy to use the quote feature. This would clear up your confusion. |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:33 am Post subject: Don't |
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It's your apartment, simple. Yeah, of course the boss puts its down payment (key $), but it's yours (as per your contract / additional salary). I would love to hear that, "Hey, you can't go to Pattaya with the money we give you after working, 'cause it ain't culturally acceptable <but you can go to Miari Texas>. Oh, and you can't download any 'special' movies either...that computer you bought with our money, and using it in our house.
BALDERDASH
Gone through these times (them attempting to put foot down) with past employers. Even at my last univ. the 'managing nimrods' would go into our apartments without our permission. Who'd ni had nihowdni?
Dude, just change the locks, and tell nobody. It asks why you changed locks, ask how did you know...my univ. did. Sch.mucks.
Here's what a lot of us do...get the rules and say..."Ahh, ok." Then do whatever you like.
I'd understand your boss not letting you build a loft in the flat, but this just ain't gonna hurt a bit...cheek on them.
Shoosh,
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:41 am Post subject: |
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I was not referring in any way, shape, or form to anything Anda posted.
I have been referring to the OP's info exclusively.
Getting married soon
Boss sais no K-women in his apt, married or not.
I am too butt-lazy to use the quote feature. This would clear up your confusion. |
Dude, no one said his boss was against him having his Korean wife in the apartment in this timeline.
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Remember that delicious thread about the teacher who had the hidden camera installed in his apartment by the boss? When I told my Korean wife about this she became incensed, and called immigration to find out if this was indeed legal. Short answer: hell no!
Long answer: short of the teachers damaging the apartment or consistently throwing obnoxious parties which call up the security guards (or smoking dope which all the neighbors can smell, etc.), the boss/hogwon owner has no say as to what goes on in the apartment. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:12 am Post subject: hmm |
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Gord if you go back to page one of this thread you will see where the op says
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| there is no such clause in my contract. the problem is that she believes i should not have korean women in the apartment (married or not, she is saying now). |
So you can see that your statement below is incorrect.
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| Dude, no one said his boss was against him having his Korean wife in the apartment in this timeline. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:29 am Post subject: |
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For some reason I read that part as meaning no women were allowed in the apartment regardless of their marriage status instead of being married to him.
While I disagree with the director, I still vote for moving out. |
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