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"Organic" in Korea; is it certified in any way?

 
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: "Organic" in Korea; is it certified in any way? Reply with quote

I see "yoo gi nong" showing up on just about every kind of food product imaginable these days in Korea, from candy and chocolate to rice, vegetables, eggs, milk, tofu, poultry and meats.

I was always doubtful with the "organic" claim of products in the states, but trusted them a bit more after the certification regimen was put in place (by the FDA I suppose). I know that is still no guarantee that you're getting what you think you're getting, i.e. that it matches your expectations of what "organic" should mean.

How about here in Korea? Anybody know if there is some kind of certification required before a producer can start calling his product "organic" ? Or is it just another magic word their putting on the package, like "Premium" "Gold" "Xylitol" (have read that some of the xylitol gum contains no xylitol at all !) ?

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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea about the organic issue, but once I see the price of it over here, I buy the regular kind and let the chemicals swim through my veins.

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Why should middle-class America fund with their tax dollars research at Harvard Univeristy that leads to products produced overseas?


Because we buy and use those products in America, and if they weren't produced overseas, we wouldn't pay the high cost they would sell for if produced by workers in the U.S. I don't like the fact many of the U.S. jobs are gone, but we don't seem to mind the low price of imported products.
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mikekim



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Organic means a 1000% price increase. That's your certification.
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indiercj



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 4 different grades for every organic products certified by the government(based on the new Law on Agricultural Product Control of '99).

To obtain the 'Genuine organic agricultural product(유기농산물)' grade, you must not use any kind of chemicals including fertilizers for the last 3 years of production.

There's the 'Transitional(전환기농산물)' grade which requires at least one year without chemicals.

The 'No chemical(무농약)' grade is given when no chemicals with the execption of a reduced to less than 1/3 of certain fertilizers from a recommended total amount by the national agricutural board is used.

The 'Less chemical(저농약)' grade is given when the reduced amount of the chemicals is less than half.
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indiercj wrote:
There are 4 different grades for every organic products certified by the government(based on the new Law on Agricultural Product Control of '99).

To obtain the 'Genuine organic agricultural product(유기농산물)' grade, you must not use any kind of chemicals including fertilizers for the last 3 years of production.

There's the 'Transitional(전환기농산물)' grade which requires at least one year without chemicals.

The 'No chemical(무농약)' grade is given when no chemicals with the execption of a reduced to less than 1/3 of certain fertilizers from a recommended total amount by the national agricutural board is used.

The 'Less chemical(저농약)' grade is given when the reduced amount of the chemicals is less than half.


Greatly appreciated feedback !

So, if the package says that it is "yu ki nong" (sorry, no hangul keys / font on my computer), does that mean it has been checked, certified, approved by some government agency? The rice I buy that is "yu ki nong san mul" has a symbol like a blue and green apple and under it is some information that includes an " in jun baln ho " number. Does that show that it is registered and certified as being the top grade organic?

I checked some chocolate bar once that called itself "yu ki nong" and I saw no kind of symbol, no certificate number, etc. Sometimes in the supermarket I see fruit with similar characteristics. Do you know if a producer is going to call it "yu ki nong" it must have this kind of official symbol and certificate number displayed?

Yeah, it does cost more, but not always 1,000 times more ! The rice I get is about 6,000 won per kilo, whereas the other high quality rice I use sometimes, which isn't touted as being organic, sells for around 3,500 a kilo (these are based on 5kg bag prices).

Thanks again for the feedback.
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indiercj



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



From left to right: Genuine organic, Transitional, No-chemicals, Lesser chemicals. Wink
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indiercj wrote:


From left to right: Genuine organic, Transitional, No-chemicals, Lesser chemicals. Wink


Right, those are the ones I have been seeing on packages, the first to the left being on the rice I buy.

I wonder: Is it policed? enforced? Is there an agency that makes sure? Are there something like consumer groups that go around checking the validity of the claim?

I like buying organic, especially for staples - - you know, things I'm going to be eating regularly and frequently - - and am willing to pay the higher price, if it's reasonable; but I like to know that the claims are trustworthy.

Thanks again.
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OiGirl



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From left to right: Genuine organic, Transitional, No-chemicals, Lesser chemicals. Wink

Awesome, thank you. Love the avatar, too!
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essexboy



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

who cares?
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my adult students told me that he had a cousin who was an organic farmer. I hadn't heard much about organic farming in Korea so I asked a few questions about it.

My student told me that actually his cousin was very lazy, so the cousin's mother looked after his land for him. The cousin's mother was quite an old lady and she found it very hard work pulling weeds and so on. So to make her life easier she she used lots of pesticides and herbicides and fertilizers and so on, without telling her son.

I wonder how often they inspect these farms. Or maybe the old lady just hands over a bribe or something. Anyway, it was interesting to learn about 'organic' farming in Korea.
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indiercj



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlieDD wrote:
indiercj wrote:


From left to right: Genuine organic, Transitional, No-chemicals, Lesser chemicals. Wink


Right, those are the ones I have been seeing on packages, the first to the left being on the rice I buy.

I wonder: Is it policed? enforced? Is there an agency that makes sure? Are there something like consumer groups that go around checking the validity of the claim?

I like buying organic, especially for staples - - you know, things I'm going to be eating regularly and frequently - - and am willing to pay the higher price, if it's reasonable; but I like to know that the claims are trustworthy.

Thanks again.


No sweat. Wink

Yes, there is a government branch called 농산물품질관리원(Board of Quality Control for Agricultural Products). They have these specialized agents who are licenced by the govenment after passing a certain test held every year. They give the grades after ramdom sampling the crops.

If you are really suspicious. Look for the following certificate along with the organic grade marks: the HACCP(Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point). It is given when only everything about the product; the soil, the seed, the end product, packaging and delivery are thoroughly tested and proven safe.



Look for this mark
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been to the farms...they use the contaminated water on both organic and non-organic. I have to seriously doubt the quality assurance process. They are not using cleaner water on the organic products...
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some food for thought on organic:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html
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