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Rteacher

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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: Jesus Predicted in the Vedic Literatures ? |
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If the following is true, it would certainly have far-reaching implications:
... Dr. Vedavyas, a research scholar with a doctorate in Sanskrit, discusses some important prophecies from the Bhavishya Purana, which he says dates back to 3000 B.C. He states that one prophecy describes the future appearance of Isha putra, the son (putra) of God (Isha)(Jesus Christ), born of an unmarried woman named Kumari (Mary) Garbha Sambhava. He would visit India at the age of thirteen and go to the Himalayan Mountains and do tapas or penance to acquire spiritual maturity under the guidance of rishis and siddha-yogis before going back to Palestine to preach to his people. So if Jesus was trained by the sages of India, this would explain why he was able to perform various miracles (siddhas). It also explains why there are so many philosophical similarities between early Christianity and Hinduism.
Dr. Vedavyas goes on to say that the Bhavishya Purana describes how Jesus would visit Varanasi and other Hindu and Buddhist holy places. This is also corroborated by the manuscript on the life of Isha (or Issa), discovered by Mr. Notovich in 1886 at the Hemis monastery in Ladakh, India as well as by the Hebrew inscriptions found in Srinagar, Kashmir at the Roza bal, the tomb of Yuz Asaf [Isha or Issa]. The Bhavishya Purana also predicted how Jesus would meet Emperor Shalivahana who established the Shalivahana or �Saka� era. Dr. Vedavyas describes this in his Telegu book, Veerabrahmendra Yogipai Parishodhana...
http://www.utahkrishnas.com/main/page.asp?id=1532
Actually, near the end of the article, the authenticity of the passages about Jesus are challenged by reference to other sources. It is suspected that Christian missionaries who controlled the publishing of various Vedic literatures including the Bhavisya Purana, inserted the references to Jesus themselves in order to facilitate their preaching in India...
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus Predicted in the Vedic Literatures ? |
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Rteacher wrote: |
Actually, near the end of the article, the authenticity of the passages about Jesus are challenged by reference to other sources. It is suspected that Chrisian missionaries who controlled the publishing of various Vedic literatures including the Bhavisya Purana, inserted the references to Jesus themselves in order to facilitate their preaching in India... |
What!? Someone doctored sacred texts! But how could this happen?
Such texts are infallible you must be lying. Stop it! |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah (by sectarian, exclusivist so-called Christians...) but probably not nearly as much doctoring as goes on with highly regarded scientific research when big money and reputations are on the line ... |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus was from occupied Roman Syria-Palestine. Greek was a lingua franca, along with Aramaic, among the populace. Greek philosophy would have been known by many people. There were plenty of Hellenized Jews. Also, we do know that Buddhists of different sorts did with people as far as Mesopotamia. We don't know if they ventured further. Palestine, being on the Eastern Mediterranean, is far closer to Greece than India. So Christianity was more likely to be influenced by Plato than Indo-European influenced gurus who wrote the Veddas. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but there's evidence that Plato and the Greeks (and Egyptians...) had earlier Vedic influences both because of trade with India and by the travels of Greek intellectuals to India...
...The philosopher and researcher Edward Pococke ... in his book India in Greece (page 251)... states: "Sir William Jones concluded that the Hindus had an immemorial antiquity with the old Persians, Ethiopians and Egyptians, the Phoenicians, Greeks and Tuscans, the Scythians or Goths, and the Celts, the Chinese, Japanese and Peruvians." The observance of this global connection between India and the rest of the world is actually an indication that the whole world was once under the influence of the Vedic culture. Thus, it was India who nurtured the rest of the world with her wisdom and Vedic knowledge.
Pococke continues ... "Now the whole of the society of Greece, civil and military, must strike one as being eminently Asiatic, much of it specially Indian. . . I shall demonstrate that these evidences were but the attendant tokens of Indian colonization with its corresponding religion and language. I shall exhibit dynasties disappearing from India, western India, to appear again in Greece, clans who fought upon the plains of Troy." Therefore, since Greece is supposed to be the origins of European culture, and since Greece displays much of the same culture as India, we can say that the pre-Christian culture of Europe was Vedic...
William Durant, author of the 10-volume Story of Civilization, wrote, "India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of European languages. She was the mother of our philosophy. . . of our mathematics. . . of the ideals embodied in Christianity. . . of self-government and democracy. . . Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all..."
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vedic_culture_is_the_parent_of_humanity.htm |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus, the great Bodhisattva.
Adventurer wrote: |
Jesus was from occupied Roman Syria-Palestine. Greek was a lingua franca, along with Aramaic, among the populace. Greek philosophy would have been known by many people. There were plenty of Hellenized Jews. Also, we do know that Buddhists of different sorts did with people as far as Mesopotamia. We don't know if they ventured further. Palestine, being on the Eastern Mediterranean, is far closer to Greece than India. So Christianity was more likely to be influenced by Plato than Indo-European influenced gurus who wrote the Veddas. |
KOINE Greek in particular i believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco_Buddhism
The Edicts of Ashoka are a collection of 33 inscriptions on the Pillars of Ashoka, as well as boulders and cave walls, made by the Emperor Ashoka of the Mauryan dynasty during his reign from 272 to 231 BCE. These inscriptions are dispersed throughout the areas of modern-day Pakistan and northern India, and represent the first tangible evidence of Buddhism.
The edicts describe in detail the first wide expansion of Buddhism through the sponsorship of one of the most powerful kings of Indian history. According to the edicts, the extent of Buddhist proselytism during this period reached as far as the Mediterranean, and many Buddhist monuments were created.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edicts_of_Ashoka
Actually said to have been 84,000 of these sent throughout his empire ... even as far as KHANDAHAR ( Afghanistan ).
Proselytism Beyond India
Buddhist proselytism at the time of king Ashoka (260-218 BC)."Now it is conquest by Dhamma that Beloved-of-the-Gods considers to be the best conquest. And it (conquest by Dhamma) has been won here, on the borders, even six hundred yojanas away, where the Greek king Antiochos rules, beyond there where the four kings named Ptolemy, Antigonos, Magas and Alexander rule, likewise in the south among the Cholas, the Pandyas, and as far as Tamraparni."
Rock Edict Nb13 (S. Dhammika)
The distance of 600 yojanas (a yojanas being about 7 miles), corresponds to the distance between the center of India and Greece (roughly 4,000 miles).
Antiochos refers to Antiochus II Theos of Syria (261-246 BC), who controlled the Seleucid Empire from Syria to Bactria, in the east from 305 BC to 250 BC, and was therefore a direct neighbor of Ashoka.
Ptolemy refers to Ptolemy II Philadelphos of Egypt (285-247 BCE),
king of the dynasty founded by Ptolemy I, a former general of Alexander the Great, in Egypt
Antigonos refers to Antigonus II Gonatas of Macedon (278-239 BC)
Magas refers to Magas of Cyrene (300-258 BCE)
Alexander refers to Alexander II of Epirus (272-258 BCE). |
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Hollywoodaction
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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That whole Jesus being the sun of God/sheperd/protector/messenger was taken from the ancient Egyptian religion. The pharaoh was believed to be earthly manifestation of Horus, the son of Amun-Ra. One of the symbols of the pharaoh is the crook-shaped scepter, the sheperd's cane. |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Hollywoodaction wrote: |
That whole Jesus being the sun of God/sheperd/protector/messenger was taken from the ancient Egyptian religion. The pharaoh was believed to be earthly manifestation of Horus, the son of Amun-Ra. One of the symbols of the pharaoh is the crook-shaped scepter, the sheperd's cane. |
Yes, a scepter or cane much like the one the Pope still uses today
So where then would you say does the "Kult of Aton" figure into the picture?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aten
Can you see "the light"? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Hollywoodaction wrote: |
That whole Jesus being the sun of God/sheperd/protector/messenger was taken from the ancient Egyptian religion. The pharaoh was believed to be earthly manifestation of Horus, the son of Amun-Ra. One of the symbols of the pharaoh is the crook-shaped scepter, the sheperd's cane. |
Yes, a scepter or cane much like the one the Pope still uses today
So where then would you say does the "Kult of Aton" figure into the picture?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aten
Can you see "the light"? |
What's also interesting is that King Tut returned the Egyptian religion to its orginal polytheistic format shortly thereafter. |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Hollywoodaction wrote: |
What's also interesting is that King Tut returned the Egyptian religion to its orginal polytheistic format shortly thereafter. |
That i believe would have been right after the great "law-giver" Moses ( i.e. Ahken-aton ) and his highly unpopular renegade
Levite / Hyskkos faction were driven out into their deserted exile.
After some years in power you can bet they were pretty pissed too  |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
Yes, but there's evidence that Plato and the Greeks (and Egyptians...) had earlier Vedic influences both because of trade with India and by the travels of Greek intellectuals to India...
...The philosopher and researcher Edward Pococke ... in his book India in Greece (page 251)... states: "Sir William Jones concluded that the Hindus had an immemorial antiquity with the old Persians, Ethiopians and Egyptians, the Phoenicians, Greeks and Tuscans, the Scythians or Goths, and the Celts, the Chinese, Japanese and Peruvians." The observance of this global connection between India and the rest of the world is actually an indication that the whole world was once under the influence of the Vedic culture. Thus, it was India who nurtured the rest of the world with her wisdom and Vedic knowledge.
Pococke continues ... "Now the whole of the society of Greece, civil and military, must strike one as being eminently Asiatic, much of it specially Indian. . . I shall demonstrate that these evidences were but the attendant tokens of Indian colonization with its corresponding religion and language. I shall exhibit dynasties disappearing from India, western India, to appear again in Greece, clans who fought upon the plains of Troy." Therefore, since Greece is supposed to be the origins of European culture, and since Greece displays much of the same culture as India, we can say that the pre-Christian culture of Europe was Vedic...
William Durant, author of the 10-volume Story of Civilization, wrote, "India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of European languages. She was the mother of our philosophy. . . of our mathematics. . . of the ideals embodied in Christianity. . . of self-government and democracy. . . Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all..."
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vedic_culture_is_the_parent_of_humanity.htm |
This is somewhat speculative. Remember the words Vedas is a word not aboriginal to India since it is an Indo-European word. The Indo-European tribes are thought to have moved from West to East. Greece could have had things in common with India without necessarily being heavily influenced by India which was quite far away. As far as Buddhism, I couldn't find any literature that substantiated any appreciable Buddhist population beyond Iran. I know there was a Buddhist community in parts of modern day Iran, and Buddhists were within reach of Iraq's edge. |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
This is somewhat speculative. Remember the words Vedas is a word not aboriginal to India since it is an Indo-European word. The Indo-European tribes are thought to have moved from West to East. Greece could have had things in common with India without necessarily being heavily influenced by India which was quite far away. As far as Buddhism, I couldn't find any literature that substantiated any appreciable Buddhist population beyond Iran. I know there was a Buddhist community in parts of modern day Iran, and Buddhists were within reach of Iraq's edge. |
West to East indeed. Something of a paradigm shift isn't it? Certainly not in accordance with orthodox history.
Reach of ancient Buddhism? To the north copies of Ashoka's Edicts have been found in KHANDAHAR, Afghanistan.
Remember the Taliban blowing up the BAMIYAN BUDDHAS?
NOTE ABOVE !!!
Speaking of the Rig Vedas, how about the Norse Rig (v)Eddas?
Most scholars now agree ancient Gaelick is equally as old as Sanskrit, and maybe even older! Have you not yet investigated the men of the west & their ancient travels through South America & beyond?
R�g
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
R�g is the name applied to a Norse god described as "old and wise, mighty and strong" in the Eddic poem R�gthula (Old Norse R�g�ula - Song of R�g).
R�g wandered through the world and brought into being (apparently by fathering them) the progenitors of the three classes of human beings as conceived by the poet. The youngest of these sons inherited the name "R�g" and his youngest son, Kon the Young or Kon ung (konung meaning 'king' in Old Norse) also inherited the name or title "R�g". This third R�g was the first true king and the ultimate founder of the state of royalty as appears in the R�gsthula and in two other works in connection. In all three sources he is connected with two primordial Danish rulers named Dan and Danp.
The poem R�gthula is preserved incomplete on the last surviving sheet in Codex Wormianus following Snorri Sturluson's Edda. A short prose introduction explains that the god in question was Heimdall who wandered along the seashore until he came to a farm where he called himself R�g. The name R�g appears to be the oblique case of Old Irish r�, r�g "king", cognate to rex in Latin and rajan in Sanskrit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADg |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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In any case, those who don't believe in Jesus are going to go to hell. How do you account for this, rteacher? |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think that if anyone offends Jesus they probably will go to hell. He should at least be respected as a pure representative and perfect son of God.
There were probably Buddhist and Egyptian influences on Christianity, but Vedic culture obviously predated Buddha (since he rebelled against the Vedas..) and it also influenced Egyptian culture.
I'm not sure if the passages in the Bhavisya Purana predicting the advent and describing the mission of Jesus were doctored by Christian missionaries or not. If they really were trying to impress Indians, they should have known better than to describe his mission as delivering "mleccas" (mulLEHchiz) which refers to low class meateaters...
The appearance of Lord Buddha was accurately predicted in the list of scheduled incarnations given in the Srimad Bhagavatam (Bhagavata Purana) The name of his parents and the town in which he would appear were clearly stated.
The next scheduled incarnation predicted to appear (in the village of Shambala at the end of this age, Kali yuga...) is Kalki avatar, who will appear riding a great white horse. Some Vedic scholars believe that this corresponds with (and may be the basis of...) Biblical descriptions of the second coming of Christ and the final Judgment Day. (Kalki kills a lot of diehard demons...) |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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[quote="igotthisguitar"]
Adventurer wrote: |
This is somewhat speculative. Remember the words Vedas is a word not aboriginal to India since it is an Indo-European word. The Indo-European tribes are thought to have moved from West to East. Greece could have had things in common with India without necessarily being heavily influenced by India which was quite far away. As far as Buddhism, I couldn't find any literature that substantiated any appreciable Buddhist population beyond Iran. I know there was a Buddhist community in parts of modern day Iran, and Buddhists were within reach of Iraq's edge. |
West to East indeed. Something of a paradigm shift isn't it? Certainly not in accordance with orthodox history.
Reach of ancient Buddhism? To the north copies of Ashoka's Edicts have been found in KHANDAHAR, Afghanistan.
Remember the Taliban blowing up the BAMIYAN BUDDHAS?
You do know that Iran is to the west of Afghanistan, and I said I found no literature speaking of a Buddhist community being west of modern day Iran. As far as the other stuff, I agree that the Western Indo-Europeans should be connected to each other including the Aryan tribes the areas stretching from Iran through to Afghanistan and India. So who knows what philosophical ideas existed among the various Indo-Europeans that would have come from the Indo-Europeans of northern of India. This is not to say that Dravidians of India did not contribute heavily to world history because they did. |
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