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Smoking is good for you!
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Zoobot



Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SPINOZA for President!!!!

You go!

I smoke 1 cigarette a month or so. I'm opposed to its absolute abolition however... I would prefer to be able to eat in a restaurant without having to smell smoke. The profits generated are vital to the operations of states. To be consistent with the health argument, we would have to ban cars as well. In some cities, breathing the air on the streets for more than two hours is equivalent to smoking a pack a day.

I would tend to believe the studies that cigarettes stave off Alzheimers' (I do not believe anyone who says the same of lung cancer though), because I read a study that was trying to explain why almost all schizophrenics chain smoke, and they found that cigarettes improve short-term memory.
Mind you, that is not a good reason to smoke. I'm sure a memorization task a week would do the same thing.

But keep puffing! I don't think the best way to solve the overpopulation problem is to keep everyone on earth alive for 80 or more years.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Smoking is good for you! Reply with quote
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http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm documents scientific studies which show that smokers are significantly less likely to suffer from Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and other neurological orders. And that's just the beginning . . .

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If I were to hazard a guess, maybe smokers don't live long enough to suffer from these illnesses, which are generally associated with old age?
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
JeJuJitsu wrote:
Novernae wrote:


How is it in any way contradictory to say that smoking is bad for your health while at the same time arguing that it is and should be a personal choice and that there are advantages in other spheres (such as tax income)?


Those weren't his only positions, but I'll let the "intellectual heavyweights" such as you and Sbignoza root around in each others' feces...

I hope you fellas realize all of this debate is in response to a post (way beyond) obviously meant as a joke, from a poster who, gee, given his name and avatar, just might, I dunno...be joking? (which apparently escaped both your genius, and spinoza's superior big brain.

Thanks fer playin'!


Just because someone posts something as a joke doesn't mean it can't result in a serious discussion. Actually, all of this debate is in response to your post that one can't hold positions you feel are contradictory.
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Novernae wrote:


Just because someone posts something as a joke doesn't mean it can't result in a serious discussion. Actually, all of this debate is in response to your post that one can't hold positions you feel are contradictory.


People can hold contradictory stances, sure, but their credibility then is zero--fine by me.

It's OK, half of me agrees with you both.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
JeJuJitsu wrote:
Novernae wrote:


Just because someone posts something as a joke doesn't mean it can't result in a serious discussion. Actually, all of this debate is in response to your post that one can't hold positions you feel are contradictory.


People can hold contradictory stances, sure, but their credibility then is zero--fine by me.

It's OK, half of me agrees with you both.


You haven't even explained why the position is contradictory. You just keep repeating the claim.

Anyone with the intellectual capacity higher than that of a mollusc can see the view is completely and utterly coherent.

Your problem is you are confused because it both supports smoking (state profit) and acknowledges smoking as unhealthy. These are evidenced facts, not contradictions. The fact that I myself smoke (socially) seems to be of significance in your incapacity to understand what is an idea as crystal clear as a diamond. I also don't support the ban on smoking in public places that's taken place in Europe and North America. People who smoke themselves to death over a period of decades are very profitable and I make the state purse of much higher importance than some anti-smoking whiney, horrible b-stard.
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SPINOZA wrote:


You haven't even explained why the position is contradictory. You just keep repeating the claim.


Very true. Jejujitsu comes off like a Republican crying "scandal," or a Democrat crying, "foul," again and again and again. If you are going to argue support your claims, why don't you?

Jejujitsu for President!
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
babtangee wrote:
SPINOZA wrote:


You haven't even explained why the position is contradictory. You just keep repeating the claim.


Very true. Jejujitsu comes off like a Republican crying "scandal," or a Democrat crying, "foul," again and again and again. If you are going to argue support your claims, why don't you?

Jejujitsu for President!



re-read.

Abortions for all! [crowd boos.]
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Smoking is good for you! Reply with quote
Tobacco Dreams wrote:

SMOKING IS GOOD FOR YOU


Are Marlboro lights better than regular?
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
RACETRAITOR wrote:
You could find a thousand articles about why smoking is bad, and a hundred why it's good.

There is only one benefit to smoking that I'm aware of: it fights bowel disorders like Crohn's and colitis. Actually the largest group of people to have those problems are ex-smokers.


Yeah, well...The largest group of people who have heart disease, mouth and lung cancer are probably ex-smokers, too.
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Tobacco Dreams



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Smoking is good for you! Reply with quote
Junior wrote:
Tobacco Dreams wrote:

SMOKING IS GOOD FOR YOU


Are Marlboro lights better than regular?


Almost certainly not. It's the nicotine that's nourishing your brain; you want MORE of it, not less.

Meanwhile, I'm somewhat perplexed to find that my OP is being treated by some readers as a "joke."