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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Tehran Vows "to Humiliate" Washington... Reply with quote

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scorned U.N Security Council sanctions imposed against Iran, telling a crowd Tuesday that Iran had humiliated the United States in the past and would do so again.

Speaking in the southwestern provincial capital of Ahvaz, Ahmadinejad said the Security Council's resolution last month was invalid and had left the world body's reputation in tatters.

The council voted unanimously to bar all countries from selling materials and technology to Iran that could contribute to its nuclear and missile programs. It also froze the assets of 10 Iranian companies and 12 individuals related to those programs.

"Let the world know that from the Iranian nation's point of view, this resolution has no validity," Ahmadinejad said.

He said the United States was the main power behind the resolution, and warned Washington: "I want you to know that the Iranian nation has humiliated you many times, and it will humiliate you in future..."


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/02/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tehran Vows "to Humiliate" Washington...

*phhbbt* They're doing quite well on their own, thank you.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran humilated Jimmy Carter. Keep in mind the moment Reagan got into office the diplomates were released.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm...

The Government of Iran is nominally headed by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. However, the ultimate head of Iran's political establishment is the Supreme Leader, who is a religious figure elected by the Assembly of Experts.

The presidency is largely a figurehead position. First, the president does not have leeway in cabinet appointments[1]. Second, the president does not make military and judicial appointments. Third, the president is not entrusted with the power of presidential pardon. Fourth, he is not the commander-in-chief, albeit, the Supreme Leader can delegate the command of the military to whomever he chooses including the president.

Valiye Faghih or The Jurisprudent Guardian, more commonly known as the Supreme Leader, is the Iranian head of state (as opposed to the head of government, which is the President). The concept of velayat-e-faqih -- the guardianship of the jurisprudent -- was introduced by Ayatollah Khomeini and included in the constitution after the 1979 revolution. According to the constitution, the Supreme Leader co-ordinates and solves disputes between the three branches of state (executive, legistative, and judicial). The constitution gives the Supreme Leader vast powers, including:

Appointing head of Judicial Branch
Supreme command of armed forces
Issuing decrees for national referenda
Declaration of war and peace
Mobilization of the armed forces
Dismissal of the President, after the Supreme Court holds him guilty of the violation of his constitutional duties, or after a vote of the Parliament testifying to his incompetence on the basis of Article 89 of the Constitution

President or Supreme Leader? I know which one I listen to for what the government is up to.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US needs to develop a new generation of weapons that will dramatically swing the balance of power via Iran back in the US favor.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Hmmmm...

The Government of Iran is nominally headed by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. However, the ultimate head of Iran's political establishment is the Supreme Leader, who is a religious figure elected by the Assembly of Experts.

The presidency is largely a figurehead position. First, the president does not have leeway in cabinet appointments[1]. Second, the president does not make military and judicial appointments. Third, the president is not entrusted with the power of presidential pardon. Fourth, he is not the commander-in-chief, albeit, the Supreme Leader can delegate the command of the military to whomever he chooses including the president.

Valiye *beep* or The Jurisprudent Guardian, more commonly known as the Supreme Leader, is the Iranian head of state (as opposed to the head of government, which is the President). The concept of velayat-e-faqih -- the guardianship of the jurisprudent -- was introduced by Ayatollah Khomeini and included in the constitution after the 1979 revolution. According to the constitution, the Supreme Leader co-ordinates and solves disputes between the three branches of state (executive, legistative, and judicial). The constitution gives the Supreme Leader vast powers, including:

Appointing head of Judicial Branch
Supreme command of armed forces
Issuing decrees for national referenda
Declaration of war and peace
Mobilization of the armed forces
Dismissal of the President, after the Supreme Court holds him guilty of the violation of his constitutional duties, or after a vote of the Parliament testifying to his incompetence on the basis of Article 89 of the Constitution

President or Supreme Leader? I know which one I listen to for what the government is up to.


yeah. Iranians woke up to that when Khatami was president and wasn't able to do anything.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are going a bit overboard in so easily and wholly dismissing the President as a figurehead and complete nonentity, hardly worth even listening to. Not so.

Does decisive political power reside in the so-called Supreme Leader's hands? Apparently. We have long known that a theocratic dictatorship, specifically an Islamic Fundamentalist one, rules Iranian affairs -- foreign and domestic. Does this mean, however, that the President means nothing? or that we must make this either/or choice, as if each office operated independently of one another...?

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
President or Supreme Leader? I know which one I listen to for what the government is up to.


Iranians I know tell me that if Ahmadinejad is (a) doing A, B, or C; or (b) not doing X, Y, or Z, then this generally indicates which way the Supreme Leader and his advisors lean on A, B, C, and X, Y, and Z. One Iranian woman I am rather close with indeed explained that Ahmadinejad is almost certainly following instructions re: Israel, the Holocaust, and Tehran's nuclear program. Come on, Ya-ta: you just listed all of the things that Ahmadinejad may not do without permission. Follow the next logical step when he does indeed make moves.

When Ahmadinejad even casually remarked on the possibility of allowing women into soccer stadiums to enjoy the games with men, for example, the Supreme Leader yanked him in immediately. Are you telling me that when he collaborates with Damascus to back Hezbollah, when he hosts Chavez and embraces him as a brother, when he organizes international conferences to undermine the Holocaust and thus what he believes is Israel's moral claim to international support if not existence, or that when he defies the United Nations on a nuclear program that creates and exacerbates what might become real conflict with the international community, especially the United States, via increasingly harsh economic sanctions...are you telling me that this means nothing of any significance to you because some of you accept a flow chart at face value...? or that all the Supreme Leader really cares about is that women should remain at home during soccer season?

And when was the last time, by the way, when a supreme leader came out from the shadows and actually openly conducted his own business in world affairs? This is an old political sleight-of-hand: get a president or another official to operate in public, do the dirty work, take the blame, etc. Let everyone say things like the Germans did at one time "if Hitler only knew..." Apparently this device still works rather well. (Incidentally, as we all know, it turns out that Hitler indeed "knew" all along, from at least as early as Roehm's murder and all the rest during the so-called Night of the Long Knives [if memory serves; I may have got its name wrong])

So, again, this is too dismissive of the President. May be comfortable to do so. But that strikes me as on the wrong side of underestimation if not outright sticking one's head entirely in the sand.

The answer to an American administration that has exaggerated in the past re: international affairs is not to automatically and consciously downplay everything that subsequently occurs...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
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Tehran Vows "to Humiliate" Washington...

*phhbbt* They're doing quite well on their own, thank you.


You're right. Unlike Canada who...wait, what does Canada do exactly? That's right, nothing. Soldier on.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

France and the European Union also pushed for the resolution. They are not interested in a nuclear Iran, either. The Iranian people have a right to nuclear power, but there is a question mark whether it will be used for energy purposes or for an offensive capability. We do know that the Iranian people are not embracing the Iranian president's combattive style. We also know that if Syria and Israel engage in peace talks, Iran would be forgotten by Damascus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:
twg wrote:
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Tehran Vows "to Humiliate" Washington...

*phhbbt* They're doing quite well on their own, thank you.


You're right. Unlike Canada who...wait, what does Canada do exactly?

Not alienate allies when they need them the most.
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And then there's that whole "not eroding civil rights" thing
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