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Last minute breach of contract experiences

 
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Last minute breach of contract experiences Reply with quote

During my limited time in South Korea, I am constantly amazed how many times employers breach their contractual agreements. I have yet to experience one employer who DOES NOT infringe on the contract in some fashion (i.e. pay, dismissal, hours, vacation etc.).

Furthermore, does anyone know the labor laws concerning breaking a contract BEFORE starting employment. My understanding is that the employer can cancel the contract anytime before resuming employment (and in many cases during) for any reason. However, if the employee requests to cancel the contract, there are serious repercusions.

In other words, I grow tired of agreeing to a position, sign the contract and have the prospective employer bail out last minute. As a result, I lose many other potential employment opportunities. There must be a legal recourse for employees. For example, in the USA and Canada, an employee can sue an employer who cancels the contract for a minimum of 2-4 weeks pay (depending on the state or province), as well as any additional moving expenses as a result of relocation for the new employer.

Please post any response and experiences regarding these matters. Thanks!
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lover.asian



Joined: 30 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Last minute breach of contract experiences Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
During my limited time in South Korea, I am constantly amazed how many times employers breach their contractual agreements. I have yet to experience one employer who DOES NOT infringe on the contract in some fashion (i.e. pay, dismissal, hours, vacation etc.).


얘 경 (Aekyung) was the only ones who actually upheld the contract. In every other instance, I didn't receive all of the compensation I was entitled under the terms of the contracts.

So after thousands and thousands of contract violations by Korean parties, they wonder why they have so much difficulty filling positions. Confused
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOVERASIAN:

Exactly. After being privy to Korean business practices, I have advised my business colleagues in North America NOT to invest in any Korean businesses due to breaches of contract. My initial desire to develop businesses in South Korea has also been extinguished. Last of all, to my educator colleagues I have also suggested not to consider in any long term employment here due to breach of contract issues.

Koreans wonder why foreign investors are pulling out of Korea. Ironically, they don't care because they live in this illusion that South Korea is self sufficient without foreign investment (and foreigners for that matter).
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
LOVERASIAN:

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Koreans wonder why foreign investors are pulling out of Korea. Ironically, they don't care because they live in this illusion that South Korea is self sufficient without foreign investment (and foreigners for that matter).


Looks like they are not the only ones living in an illusion


According to this link FDI is up by 70% compared to last year

http://koreanow.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/04/30/200504300008.asp
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

URBAN MYTH:

Point taken. However, one must inquire why the Korean government finds it necessary to impose incentives for foreign companies to invest here. That is not to say that, Korean business practices are SOLELY responsible for the need for Korean government to create incentives, although it does beg the question. There will always be continued investments and take overs by multinational foreign companies when there is money to be made. However, I will venture to guess that smaller companies will be reluctant to develop relationships with Korean companies here. Furthermore, I know many international businesspeople here who often tell me about the deception and dishonesty in Korean business transactions. Perhaps this is why some large multinational foreign companies simply just takeover Korean companies. Although, I have heard of many international companies also severing partnership with Korean companies based on financial issues and concerns over Korean business practices.
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AwesomeA



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Yeosu

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why just limit it to Korean business practices? Every business has it's fair share of deception. In my uneducated menial labor job days, I experienced a fair amount of nonsense. Whoever says that foreign companies don't play similar games are obivously in the dark. Have you seen the Big One by Michael Mooore?
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't believe that M. Moore has a big one...must be refering to his gut..
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that guy



Joined: 29 Feb 2004
Location: long gone

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth your article is from 2005. Last year saw a decrease in foreign direct investment with the US dumping the largest amount.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200701/kt2007010315334768040.htm

The Hankooki wrote:
Japanese firms invested $2.1 billion in Korea, registering a 12.2-percent increase from 2005. U.S. companies� investment nose-dived 36.8 percent to $1.7 billion


You can also check

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200701/03/200701032131342509900090509051.html

It's been all over the papers.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize that no one wants to hear this, but my contract has never been breached and has been adhered to strictly. To the best of my knowlege, this is true of all employees at my company. My best guess is that this is because it's an "intenational" company that understands contracts in the western sense.

I'm not trying to disagree - I know everyone needs to vent. I just want to be fair to my boss, who does follow my contract to the letter.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:37 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I have had a job that didn't breach the contract. However, they did push the envelope a bit. JUst if the teacher stood up to the boss and said no, he would back down.

It's Korean (try not to laugh) culture.
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmbran11 wrote:
I realize that no one wants to hear this, but my contract has never been breached and has been adhered to strictly. To the best of my knowlege, this is true of all employees at my company. My best guess is that this is because it's an "intenational" company that understands contracts in the western sense.

I'm not trying to disagree - I know everyone needs to vent. I just want to be fair to my boss, who does follow my contract to the letter.


Sweet! Where do you work and what's your boss' phone number?
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justin moffatt



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious if this trend of decreased US investment will continue, especially after the North Korea missle testing. Not surprisingly, investment in electronics and technology is continuing to increase. It would be interesting to see if foreign companies choose to financially takeover Korean electronic companies or continue relations with them.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that guy wrote:
TheUrbanMyth your article is from 2005. Last year saw a decrease in foreign direct investment with the US dumping the largest amount.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200701/kt2007010315334768040.htm

The Hankooki wrote:
Japanese firms invested $2.1 billion in Korea, registering a 12.2-percent increase from 2005. U.S. companies� investment nose-dived 36.8 percent to $1.7 billion


You can also check

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200701/03/200701032131342509900090509051.html

It's been all over the papers.



I wondered why you didn't mention the actual decrease. Then I checked the article. A mere 2.9% decrease overall. FDI is not a constant factor. It goes up and down. Given the missile testing of the North a drop is to be expected. But 2.9% is well within the variable range of an issue like FDI. You also failed to mention some positives.

Investment is UP by 70.7% in electronics
Up by 171.5% in chemicals
Up by 37.1% in manufacturing
And Japan made a 12.2% increase

The decrease was mainly due to U.S investors getting nervous. Once the North settles down, they'll likely be back.


My point was that investors are NOT pulling out of South Korea wholesale. Like I said FDI is a variable and 2.9% is well within the range of it.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
URBAN MYTH:

Point taken. (1) However, one must inquire why the Korean government finds it necessary to impose incentives for foreign companies to invest here. That is not to say that, Korean business practices are SOLELY responsible for the need for Korean government to create incentives, although it does beg the question. There will always be continued investments and take overs by multinational foreign companies when there is money to be made. However, I will venture to guess that smaller companies will be reluctant to develop relationships with Korean companies here. Furthermore, I know many international businesspeople here who often tell me about the deception and dishonesty in Korean business transactions. Perhaps this is why some large multinational foreign companies simply just takeover Korean companies. (2) Although, I have heard of many international companies also severing partnership with Korean companies based on financial issues and concerns over Korean business practices.



(numbers are mine)

1. Ummm...maybe to compete with all the other countries like China say which ALSO offer incentives? Or perhaps to compensate for that madman up north?

2. Do tell. You've heard of "many" so give me about five or six names of these "many"companies and links to where I can find these. Also proof that it was the "financial issues and concerns over Korean business practises." that caused them to sever partnerships with Korean companies. Thanks. This should be easy because as you said you've heard of "many".

Otherwise we'll have to assume that you are just making things up.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big drop in US direct investment in Korea in the time period mentioned is likely related to the large drop in the value of the US dollar relative to the Korean won.
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