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[regicide]

"I am happy to see I was wrong in perceiving that you had sided with Regicide. What do you think about this statement...?"

Fell better now, Mr. G?

Hey , I am not part of your little click. I could care less what you and your groupies think about this case. But once again, this is supposed to be a discussion board. You are clearly not educators. You would be kicked off the Education Forum.

I think you are right though. The world doesn't need anyone to question the official findings in this case , cause you guys got it all figured out.

For those with an open mind:

WHY THE JFK CASE STILL MATTERS

I am sometimes asked, "Who cares who shot JFK? That
happened way back in 1963. What difference does it
make now? And what can we do about it anyway?"

For those individuals who have studied the assassination
for decades, it is hard to understand how anyone could not
see the importance and relevance of the case. On the
other hand, those of us who only got involved with the
case in the last few years can readily appreciate that some
people simply don't see what difference it makes any more
given the fact that the shooting occurred in late 1963.

I take myself as a case in point. I was raised on the belief that
Oswald alone killed President Kennedy. Period, end of story.
When I became aware that some people doubted this, I was
mildly interested to know who else, if anyone, might have been
involved, but I really didn't think about it all that much. I do
recall, however, watching as a teenager in 1979 a news
report on the fact that the House Select Committee on
Assassinations (HSCA) had just concluded that the President
had probably been killed by a conspiracy. I was fascinated
by this news, but, lacking any further information, and not
understanding the implications of the illegal removal of
an American President, I quickly forgot about the whole
affair and continued on with my daily life.

Like many other persons, I became seriously interested in the
assassination as a result of seeing Oliver Stone's movie "JFK."
I went to see it in the early part of 1992. I was enthralled by
it almost instantly. Breaking my usual theater habits, I didn't
get up to get popcorn. I sat there, glued to my seat, trying
to soak up every detail. When the film ended, I sat in my
seat until every last credit rolled off the screen. I was
stunned, utterly stunned. I thought to myself, "If half of
what that movie says is true, this is incredible, and we're
in real trouble!" It dawned on me that some of those who
were involved in the assassination conspiracy, as well as
those who took part in the cover-up that followed, might still
be alive. I wondered how we, as a nation, could have been
misled for so long about the most important facts concerning
the death of one of our Presidents. I decided I needed to
learn all I could about the assassination. And here I am.

What if the official position of the U.S. Government on the
Holocaust were that it never really happened, and that the
number of Jews killed during WW II was drastically less than
6 million? Why would we feel it important to set the record
straight? Why would Jewish Americans in particular, as well
as the nation of Israel, feel it especially important to pass on
the true history of the Holocaust to the next generation?
The answers to these questions are self-evident.

In addition, why do we still attempt to bring Nazi war criminals
to justice so many years after the fact? Again, the answer
seems obvious. We want and deserve justice. We need
justice. An orderly, lawful, humane society cannot survive
when there is little or no justice. Horrendous crimes cannot
be allowed to go unpunished. Nor can we allow such crimes
to be covered-up.

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are bound
to repeat them. In the '60s and '70s powerful forces conspired
to kill, not only President Kennedy, but also Robert Kennedy
and Dr. Martin Luther King. A prime motivation for these murders
was the desire on the part of the conspirators to see the Vietnam
War continue and escalate. Are those forces, or ones similar to
them, in operation today? I believe there is evidence that suggests
the answer to this question is yes.

After the shooting, elements of the FBI, the CIA, and the
military worked to conceal the truth about President
Kennedy's death from the Warren Commission and, more
importantly, from the American people. The Warren
Commission, however, was not exactly hard to fool. Its
so-called "investigation" into the assassination will go
down in history as one of worst examples of ethical and
criminal negligence on the part of a federal investigative
body in the twentieth century. Lyndon Johnson played
a major role in the cover-up. The U.S. Government's
official stamp of approval was placed on an ugly, absurd
national lie, i.e., that Oswald alone killed Kennedy, that
the President's death was merely the random act of a
lone, crazed gunman, and that no conspiracy of any
kind was involved. The true killers, along with those who
orchestrated the President's murder, were neither identified
to the public nor punished.

On balance, the news industry failed us miserably. Instead of
independently investigating the assassination, the press pretty
much took its lead from the federal government, and in most
cases actively defended the lone-gunman scenario. This sad
pattern continues to this day, as evidenced by the inordinate
amount of praise the news industry heaped upon Gerald
Posner's badly flawed defense of the single-assassin theory,
CASE CLOSED. With few exceptions, the press still parrots
and defends the lone-gunman scenario. Some of the worst
offenders continue to be U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT,
TIME, NEWSWEEK, and CBS.

One of the reasons I was more or less indifferent to the
Kennedy assassination was that I believed JFK had been
a weak, socialist-leaning liberal whose economic and
defense policies were doing harm to America and to
the cause of freedom. It's only been in the last few years
that I've learned that the Bay of Pigs disaster was not really
Kennedy's fault, that he was strong on defense, and that,
far from being a socialist, he was very much a free-market,
fiscal conservative who, among other things, favored tax
cuts, curbing the power of the Federal Reserve System (if
not eliminating it entirely), and backing our currency with a
valuable metal.

It is important that citizens trust their government. It is equally
important that the government be deserving of their trust.
Noted conservative author Kevin Phillips recently observed
that the marked decline in the public's confidence in the
government began with the publication of the Warren Report.
Acknowledging the whole ugly truth about President Kennedy's
death, and about the shameful cover-up that followed, would
be a valuable, major step in restoring the public's faith in the
government. We have, in my opinion, the greatest form of
government in the world. But in order for our system to work
and thrive and prosper, the government must be honest with
the people; and the people, in turn, must take a strong interest
in making sure that the government is ethical, efficient, and
obedient to the Constitution.

The assassination of President Kennedy was nothing less
than a bloody coup d'etat, a coup whose goal was to escalate
the war in Vietnam and to put an end to Kennedy's monetary,
social, and defense-policy reforms. This coup was followed by
a massive cover-up, a cover-up that was carried out primarily
by Lyndon Johnson and by powerful elements in the FBI, in the
CIA, and in the military. Certain key members of the Dallas Police
Department also played an important role in the cover-up. It is
important that this be understood so that our nation will not
suffer such an awful crime and tragedy again. Dr. Cyril Wecht,
a nationally recognized forensic expert and a former member
of the HSCA's medical panel, put it well when he said,

I think it's extremely important for the American people
to know that there can be the overthrow of a government,
that there can be a coup d'etat in America, and that that
in fact did happen with the assassination of President
Kennedy. In order to prevent that kind of thing from
happening again, and in order to expose the forces
that were responsible for that murder and for the
cover-up that has ensued, . . it's necessary to expose
them, otherwise we can have the same thing happen
again. . . . If they were able to do it to John F. Kennedy
in 1963, they could do it to some other president in the
future.

Incredibly, our government continues to place its official stamp
of approval on the single-bullet theory, which is the most crucial,
and the most fraudulant, component of the lone-gunman
story. Our government also continues to maintain that Lee
Harvey Oswald fired all the shots that struck President
Kennedy, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. It is time
for these lies to end, and for our government to formally
repudiate them once and for all.

Disturbingly, there are indications that many of the same forces
that were responsible for President Kennedy's death are alive
and well today. Most of the names have changed, but the
philosophy and goals appear to have remained the same.

It is possible that some of those who played a role in President
Kennedy's death are still alive, and some of the individuals who
took part in the cover-up are most certainly still alive. These
are two more reasons that the case very much still matters.

We, as Americans, want and expect the truth, especially about
such an historic and monumentally important event as the
assassination of one of our Presidents. The Kennedy
assassination is, among other things, the story of how some
of our most important institutions--our government, our press,
and later our higher educational system---failed, failed us,
failed America. Surely it is important for us to know as much
as possible about this event. We cannot learn from the tragic
mistakes, gross abuses of power, and crimes that were involved
in President Kennedy's death. We know about many of them,
thanks in large part to the patriotic and tireless efforts of private
citizens and organizations. But there is still much to be learned,
much that NEEDS to be learned. And our government still needs
to repudiate the lone-gunman story and to conduct a thorough,
honest investigation into President Kennedy's death.

The FBI and the CIA continue to resist full disclosure of
sealed assassination-related records. In fact, on May 15,
the FBI filed a brief to block the full disclosure of 13
important FBI documents relating to the assassination.
The CIA has yet to explain suspicious aspects of Oswald's
CIA files. George Bush seemingly did all he could to
prevent the formation of the Assassination Records Review
Board, which is doing such an important, valuable work.
The Justice Department's performance on the case has long
been abysmal, to put it mildly. So as far as certain elements of
the government are concerned, the assassination definitely
still matters.

Why does the JFK case still matter? Because it concerns
principles that affect the very heart of our democratic system
and our institutions. Because some of those responsible for
President Kennedy's death might still be alive and could
be brought to justice. Because some of those who took
part in the ensuing cover-up are most certainly alive and
could also be brought to justice, or at least fully exposed.
Because much of the physical evidence in the case has
yet to be properly examined and analyzed. Because many
of the witnesses are still alive, and will remain alive for at
least the next ten to twenty years. Because no nation can
build upon national lies. Because no nation can prosper
and grow when the people increasingly distrust the
government. Because those who fail to learn from the
mistakes of history are bound to repeat them. Because
many of the same forces that brought about JFK's murder
appear to be alive and well and need to be exposed and
dealt with. Because millions of Americans continue to be
inspired by President Kennedy's vision of a better, stronger,
and more just America. Because we owe it to the thousands
of Americans who were needlessly killed or wounded in
Vietnam to fully expose the forces that murdered President
Kennedy. Because we owe it to ourselves. Because we
want and deserve the truth--and the truth, as the saying goes,
will indeed set us free.

It matters because, in a very real sense, it led to subsequent
major scandals and tragedies, such as the Phoenix Program,
Watergate, the assassinations of RFK and Dr. King, CIA
abuses in Central America, the Vietnam War, and the
resulting civil unrest that so badly divided our nation, the
attempt on Gov. George Wallace's life, the Iran-Contra
affiar, Ruby Ridge, and the tragedy at Waco. Indeed some
of the same forces--and, in a few instances, a few of the
same individuals--suspected of involvement in the Kennedy
assassination surfaced in some of these later scandals
as well.

Even some staunchly conservative commentators, writers
who have previously defended the FBI, have become
disturbed about what they rightly see as instances of
gross abuse of power by FBI agents (as well as by other
federal agents). There have been several reports, a few
of them presented on major network TV, that federal agents
have confiscated private land on the basis of clearly phony
charges. In recent months a senior FBI lab scientist made
the news when he reported that the FBI's heralded crime
lab had repeatedly doctored evidence. And certainly the
behavior of the federal agents who were involved in the
Ruby Ridge incident, in which, among other things, a
teenage boy and his mother were shot by federal snipers,
raises the serious question of whether or not important
elements of the FBI and the BATF are out of control.
What is most disturbing about the FBI's actions in these
cases is the apparent willingness of top federal officials to
cover-up or downplay the clearly abusive, improper actions
of federal agents.

Finally, I would like to add a personal note about my criticism
of "our government." I do not want my comments to be taken
to mean that I in any way oppose our wonderful system of
government, or that I believe our government is totally
corrupt. In speaking of "the government's" handling of the
case, we're actually talking about certain departments and
factions in the government, not about the government as a
whole. The principal problem areas appear to be among
elements of the FBI, the CIA, and the Justice Department.
I believe that most of the individuals who serve in our
government are honorable, decent people. As we have
seen over the years, however, not everyone in the
government fits this description.

Mike Griffith

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Gopher]

[regicide]

[cbclark4]

Reggie the King wrote:

"This is basic stuff. It is simply amazing that someone still promotes this Lone Nut nonsense in 2006."

Was Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme a lone nut?

Was Sirhan Sirhan a lone nut"

How about Mark David Chapman? John Hinckley? Sarah Goode?
Mehmet Ali Ağca? Juan Mar�a Fern�ndez y Krohn?

Lone nuts all.

The lone nut theory is not impossible.

cbc

[Grimalkin]

I have no idea who killed JFK.


I don't know whether past or present US governments or anybody else is trying to cover it up....


........but a lone gunman given the trajectories involved?


That's as hard to swallow as any conspiracy theory!

[cbclark4]

[cbclark4]

Disturbing evidence about the OP.

"Regicide: The Official Assassination of John F. Kennedy (Monte Sano Media, 2002, ISBN 1-59148-297-6) by Gregory Douglas, purports to be based on files from former CIA official Robert Crowley. In fact, Crowley never met Douglas and regarded him as an eccentric.

The book alleges that there was a conspiracy to kill U.S. President John F. Kennedy, and that the CIA had a central role in the assassination. JFK researchers, both conspiracy and lone nut, have doubts over the authenticity of Douglas' book and the document reproduced inside."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regicide:_The_Official_Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

Leaves little doubt. He is Elvis.

cbc

[regicide]

[regicide]

[Grimalkin]

[cbclark4]

This is the best website I have found that tends to support "lone nut theory".

It does leave open some areas for exploration. It even gives the questions to ask specifically with frame by frame on Zapruder with stills giving other angles in particular to trajectory to Connally's shoulder. (Notice Kennedy's arm over the door edge while Connally fully within the car, then check out the after the fact diagram offered the by conspiracy theorists (High Treason).

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Single Bullet is discussed here:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

http://www.exponent.com/multimedia/movies/jfk_sm.mov

If you understand the "lone nut theory" first and the Warren Commission Report (you don't have to accept it just understand it) some of the omissions of the several conspiracies may unravel a bit for you.

You can see some of the same techniques applied when you research other conspiracy buffoonery lie Elvis Lives and the Disappearance of Jim Morrison. The will be a movie released this summer on the Elvis Conspiracy, there are parallels.

cbc

[EFLtrainer]

I just came across this thread. What strikes me is, though all of you say JFK was killed by Oswald, alone, not one of you offers any evidence, you simply call regicide a "conspiracy nut."

Do you all believe that is legitimate debate technique? Did any of you even watch the shows posted? It seems not.