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NO is not CO - Cat 5 Blizzard

 
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: NO is not CO - Cat 5 Blizzard Reply with quote

This from the Denver Post:
"This text is from a county emergency manager out in the central part
of Colorado after the big snowstorm.

Up here, in the Northern Plains, we just recovered from a Historic event--- may I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions" with a historic blizzard of up to 44" inches of snow and winds to 90 MPH that broke trees in half, knocked down utility poles, stranded hundreds of motorists in lethal snow banks, closed ALL roads, isolated scores of communities and cut power to 10's of thousands.

FYI:
George Bush did not come.
FEMA did nothing.
No one howled for the government.
No one blamed the government.
No one even uttered an expletive on TV .
Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit.
Our Mayor did not blame Bush or anyone else.
Our Governor did not blame Bush or anyone else, either.
CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC did not visit - or report on this category 5 snowstorm. Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards.
No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House.
No one looted.
Nobody - I mean Nobody demanded the government do something.
Nobody expected the government to do anything, either.
No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No Geraldo Rivera.
No Shaun Penn, No Barbara Streisand, No Hollywood types to be found.
Nope, we just melted the snow for water.
Sent out caravans of SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars.
The truck drivers pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a penny.
Local restaurants made food and the police and fire departments delivered it to the snowbound families.
Families took in the stranded people - total strangers.
We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil lanterns or Coleman lanterns.
We put on extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die"..."

I received this article in an EMail. I can't find the original source (Link).
It is attributed to the Denver post. http://www.denverpost.com/

cbc
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a) This is a forwarded e-mail that has little basis in fact and a lot of basis in emotion (racially based emotion, at that.)

b) It is probably mostly untrue and full of hyperbole intended to evoke racist sentiment rather than logical thought...

c) I could be 100% true.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't I see something about the National Guard helicoptering in feed for the cattle stranded out in the fields?
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Thunndarr



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, comparing a blizzard to a flood is asinine. I can say this, because I'm from North Dakota, where, in my time, I've lived through blizzards where the wind chill was -99 degrees F (and my university didn't cancel school that day.) I've been through ice storms that destroyed power lines and forced me to hole up in a friend's apartment for two days because we couldn't travel the 20 blocks back to the dorms. And I've lived through the flood of 1997 that evacuated the city for weeks and seen the hundreds of lost homes and businesses.

A city gets back to normal in a matter of days after the most severe blizzards I've ever seen. It takes a matter of months or years to recover from a flood.
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khyber



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and New Orleans has history, it has character gumption and flare.
Colorado ain't got poopy pants.


But in the end, I'd agree with thundarr, me thinks the col. folks are trying to puff their chests.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khyber wrote:
...and New Orleans has history, it has character gumption and flare.
Colorado ain't got poopy pants.


Then you've never been to Colorado. In my opinion, it would have been better to bulldoze New Orleans and make a 'New' New Orleans...above sea level this time. Of all the U.S. cities I've been to, NO was the trashiest and nastiest city of them all.


khyber wrote:
But in the end, I'd agree with thundarr, me thinks the col. folks are trying to puff their chests.


And they have every right to. No one can say that a blizzard is worse than a hurricane but to compare how people react to two weather-related events is note-worthy. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about the "heroic" people of NO.
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khyber



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No one can say that a blizzard is worse than a hurricane but to compare how people react to two weather-related events is note-worthy.
No one can say that?
Well, Thundarr and I just said it. And we are right.

You people react to two events? If one place got 4cm of rain and another 1.9m of rain, who would you say is in a more problematic position?
If one storm required heating four walls and a roof, while the other required, a house built on a platform 4m up, watertight entrances, or boats I'd say the latter was in more danger. If one storm made everyone cold while one storm destroyed the HOMES of thousands of people I'd think the second was "worse".
If one storm had absolutely no benefit and the other was a "shot in the arm" for reservoirs in the area, I'd wager the latter was probably pretty good.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/stormcenter/2005-04-12-colorado-drought_x.htm?csp=34

And this whole time I thought you were talking about a BLIZZARD.....
Quote:
.... two feet of wet snow,
I'm from Alberta.... I *beep* 2 feet of wet snow.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khyber wrote:
Quote:
No one can say that a blizzard is worse than a hurricane but to compare how people react to two weather-related events is note-worthy.
No one can say that?
Well, Thundarr and I just said it. And we are right.


I always thought you were a bit dim, now here's the proof. Read again, einstein, and see if you can figure out what I really meant. You said that blizzards are worse than hurricanes? Seriously, try posting while not under the influence next time.

khyber wrote:
You people react to two events? If one place got 4cm of rain and another 1.9m of rain, who would you say is in a more problematic position?
If one storm required heating four walls and a roof, while the other required, a house built on a platform 4m up, watertight entrances, or boats I'd say the latter was in more danger. If one storm made everyone cold while one storm destroyed the HOMES of thousands of people I'd think the second was "worse".
If one storm had absolutely no benefit and the other was a "shot in the arm" for reservoirs in the area, I'd wager the latter was probably pretty good.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/stormcenter/2005-04-12-colorado-drought_x.htm?csp=34


Oh, I get it. Being without power for 2-4 weeks in a cold winter is not dangerous, eh? Typical canadian spewage. No doubt, the actual storm that hit NO was worse. The main comparison is how people reacted. Namely, the blaming of the federal government to come bail their sorry asses out of a natural situation. I didn't see Denver's mayor whining about President Bush and screaming about school busses. I guess canucks have more in common with hizzoner ray nagin than they do with people who don't scream to the federal government to get them out of every tight spot. socialism rocks!

khyber wrote:
And this whole time I thought you were talking about a BLIZZARD.....
Quote:
.... two feet of wet snow,
I'm from Alberta.... I *beep* 2 feet of wet snow.


That ain't all that comes outta your ass.
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Thunndarr



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:
khyber wrote:
...and New Orleans has history, it has character gumption and flare.
Colorado ain't got poopy pants.


Then you've never been to Colorado. In my opinion, it would have been better to bulldoze New Orleans and make a 'New' New Orleans...above sea level this time. Of all the U.S. cities I've been to, NO was the trashiest and nastiest city of them all.


khyber wrote:
But in the end, I'd agree with thundarr, me thinks the col. folks are trying to puff their chests.


And they have every right to. No one can say that a blizzard is worse than a hurricane but to compare how people react to two weather-related events is note-worthy. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about the "heroic" people of NO.


I do agree that blizzards are no picnic, but to compare people's reactions to the two phenomena they'd have to be in the same ballpark of severity. As it is, a bad flood is magnitudes worse than a bad blizzard. I've got personal anecdotes out the wazzoo about both, having lived through several blizzards and one nasty flood.
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Thunndarr



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly enough, the letter cited in the OP is a variation of one I just found on snopes.com. Enjoy.

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/dakota.asp

From the same page:

Quote:
"One can shovel snow, but one cannot shovel water."



Feel free to read up on the flood of 1997 which I was present for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Flood,_1997

Floods are just so much worse than blizzards that I don't feel any comparison can be made.
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khyber



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Read again, einstein, and see if you can figure out what I really meant.
Embarassed oops! teeheehee.

Quote:
. I guess canucks have more in common with hizzoner ray nagin than they do with people who don't scream to the federal government to get them out of every tight spot.
Actually, if anything we have more in common with Denver's mayor since a really bad snowstorm is no cause for worry.



Quote:
The main comparison is how people reacted. Namely, the blaming of the federal government to come bail their sorry asses out of a natural situation.
Perhaps it's because their asses didn't need bailing out. Perhaps they had the resources to deal with a big dump of snow and cold weather. Snow is, after all, a lot easier to deal with than water. So sure they didn't complain about their government, but perhaps it's because they didn't have any real need for their assistance in the first place.

Quote:
Being without power for 2-4 weeks in a cold winter is not dangerous
Assuming their houses are heated with gas, I don't see major problems. Sure it's inconvinient I can't argue that but their houses ARE still standing and they ARE able to live in them while it's happening AND after the fact. Power comes on after a power outage. To live in a house flooded under several meters of water requires, a bit more work.


It takes a great deal of maturity and intellectual wherewithal to remain so civil when discussing such GRAVE matters as this. Congradulations on lasting as long as you did.
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