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Seoultrader
Joined: 18 Jun 2003
Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah
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| rapier wrote: |
Seoultrader: Like a typical punter, you prefer to remain ignorant to the reality of the cynical sex trade you are helping to fuel. Your hint that the hostess girls you "patronise" (both meanings of the word) are doing fine thank you on the easy, generous handouts of their customers. This makes you feel easier.
Let me provide some links for you, just so you know the backround of the business you're paying for. If you don't find these applicable to your situation, i will happilly provide more:
http://picis.jinbo.net/english/women/sextrade.htm
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2002/jan/03/top_stories/20020103tops.html
(I hope these connect up) |
Rapier,
I think that you misunderstood something very basic about my attitude towards these girls - I by no means consider myself to be a Robin Hood of Hooker Forrest. I can't stress this enough. Their lives are not my responsibility. Their past is not my responsibility. Their future is not my responsibility. My one and only responsibility is to treat them with the same respect I would accord anyone I am obtaining a service from and then pay. What happens after that is of no consequence to me.
Am I fueling the evil indentured sex trade? Yes I probably am. Am I part of the problem? Maybe, but it's not MY problem. I admire your purity (I really do) but you're facing an uphill battle that's been fought for thousands of years and does not look to be winnable. Sex sells. Always has, always will. |
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Seoultrader
Joined: 18 Jun 2003
Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
seoultrader: its a shame you obviously chose to ignore the first link I posted up.
Its a sad, sad world.......
Do you know, the amount of money you shell out for a night of selfish eroticism could probably enable just one of these girls, if they were from one of the poorer countries, to get good healthcare for herself and her family, and perhaps even set up her own, self-sustaining, legitimate business in her home country- (a fruit market stall perhaps).
But no. 90% of what you shell out goes to line the pockets of the rich, gangster - type exploitative bosses that run these joints..
Personally i prefer to spend a seductive night with a woman who is truly empowered, and in charge of her own life, but thats just me.
Ahh well, i can see i'm falling on deaf ears here.... |
Ok, I've already stated that I'm not the Robin Hood type, so as great as the fruit stall idea is, it's not for me.
"Gangster-type exploitive bosses" - it's a fine line between a businessman applying market principles and a gangster, but a line you have to be careful to recognize. As long as the woman freely sells herself for WHATEVER AMOUNT/SPLIT, it's still just a legitimate business arrangement between 2 parties.
We can argue about this till we're blue, rapier. Different folk, different strokes. G'night |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:45 am Post subject: |
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It's pretty amazing to me that some men will pay a million won for one night. Heck it's easy to go to S.E. Asia and have a fun week for that, plane ticket, hotel, other (may I say more interesting) culture, better food in my opinion, women (any may I say generally nicer people), all included. To spend up to $1000 in one night is crazy, unless you are rich I guess and it's just pocket cash. And also I would feel better spending money on a poor girl who needs it. Not that that's atruistic on my part or anything.  But I certainly am not a rich man, and for $1000 I'd much rather have a fun week, the hell with one (perhaps amazing) night. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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There are also opportunities to work as a male host.
“Do the math, if a player worked hard, they could make a large weekly cash income. However, this was an illegal business. Police raids are common and generally the clubs didn’t stay open any longer than a year or two. ‘CCTV was everywhere.’ If the police showed up, the club managers knew in an instance. ‘One time we were locked inside for an hour while the police pounded on the locked door. The managers would just shut off all the outside lights and pretended the club was closed. They open and close very regularly…they don’t move around…they get arrested.’
“Andy worked at this establishment for around a month. He was seated many times but only received one offer to leave the club with a woman. ‘One girl had her boyfriend drop her off and as the night went on she was really drunk and asked me how much. I asked her back, “Don’t you have a boyfriend?”. She got mad and threw money at me. Then she called another boyfriend to come pick her up.’ After this, Andy quit working at this club and prepared for his return to the USA. ‘I was curious what this place was, I didn’t go there to make money. I was very naive at the beginning.’ This was however far from the end of Andy’s experience of being a gigolo. He would take his knowledge of this industry back to the USA and make some real money.”
http://www.electrow.com/korean-sex-industry-gigolo/ |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Drudging up 11 year old threads?
| Kepler wrote: |
There are also opportunities to work as a male host.
“Do the math, if a player worked hard, they could make a large weekly cash income. However, this was an illegal business. Police raids are common and generally the clubs didn’t stay open any longer than a year or two. ‘CCTV was everywhere.’ If the police showed up, the club managers knew in an instance. ‘One time we were locked inside for an hour while the police pounded on the locked door. The managers would just shut off all the outside lights and pretended the club was closed. They open and close very regularly…they don’t move around…they get arrested.’
“Andy worked at this establishment for around a month. He was seated many times but only received one offer to leave the club with a woman. ‘One girl had her boyfriend drop her off and as the night went on she was really drunk and asked me how much. I asked her back, “Don’t you have a boyfriend?”. She got mad and threw money at me. Then she called another boyfriend to come pick her up.’ After this, Andy quit working at this club and prepared for his return to the USA. ‘I was curious what this place was, I didn’t go there to make money. I was very naive at the beginning.’ This was however far from the end of Andy’s experience of being a gigolo. He would take his knowledge of this industry back to the USA and make some real money.”
http://www.electrow.com/korean-sex-industry-gigolo/ |
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chopstick
Joined: 03 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: |
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As a feminist what a woman chooses to do with her life and body is up to her. Whether it be a stay at home mom or a stripper. That's what it is all about. Each path has a consequence...some paths have more dangerous consquences.
Personally selling your body or trading on your looks seems sad but who the hell am I to judge any of these women.
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Jade's feminism here is different from today's hysteric, puritanical version. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting situation, marktoronto. I can't wait for your follow up to this story. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hostess Bars/Room Salons |
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| Seoultrader wrote: |
As the board's self-appointed connosoir of fine male entertainment, here's the 411 (Tiger Beer also has a good grasp of the sit.):
Tell her to forget it, unless she's willing to put her ass up for sale on a freelance basis to loaded Koreans, for example, some of my business associates who are into exotic ass (and sick of the Russkies). If she's "hot-hot" (like, Catherine Zeta Jones or Babewatch hot), I'm pretty sure that they'd fork out up to 1 million won/night. You get the point. It wouldn't be hard for her to establish a client base IF design & performance is satisfactory.
As far as establishments such as room salons, she can forget it. No one will hire her as long as there is a steady supply of hot Korean 19-21 year-old credit defaulters ready to give it up for a measly 300,000. It's also too much of an operational risk to take. Korean gals working in room salons are easily controlled. A piece of white ass, as unique and appealing as it might be in such a place, is not worth the effort and legal risk for operators (especially seeing as that they already have to be very careful walking that legality/corruption tightrope).
Although many Russian/Uzbek gals still work in Korean nightclubs as dancers, they generally are expected to perform other services as well. this is really the only organized whitey prostitution here. The Korean govt. has stopped issuing new "Entertainer visas" for such establishments, and the exodus to greener pastures (Dubai, Riyadh, etc.) has begun. The 150-200 or so stinky Itaewon Russkies that you see pissdrunk at 9 a.m. stumbling out of Rio or Club International are no accurate measure of the business, as many of them cater to "lower" fiscally-challenged demographics such as GIs, teachers, etc. etc. Some of them just go there to have fun, of course.
Summary: if she's willing to peddle her ass, she's good to go here. If not, I strongly advise Japan, where she could get away with just "hosting" and still make a good bundle -BUT- there's always the risk of getting stuck with a club with direct Yakuza ties (which they all have, though the degree of connection varies widely) in which case it could turn ugly.
The above info/opinion is based on years of experience as both a customer as well as a former 'operator' of sorts in the business and pretty much the uncensored truth.
Flame away, lovely maidens of the board. I know you're just itching to now... 
(*Seoultrader moons ya*) |
Dredging up an 11 year old thread asides, are there still that many credit defaulters? Why do so many chicks with bad credit have to be hookers anyways? Isn't there such a thing as just not answering the phone when collection agencies called? (Unless of course they borrowed from loansharks or mobsters to begin with.) |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Dredging up an 11 year old thread asides, are there still that many credit defaulters? Why do so many chicks with bad credit have to be hookers anyways? |
Maybe you could become a rent boy? You'll pay off your debts faster + get loads of mature Korean action.
You could advertise it as a 'revenge' service, for women who's husbands have cheated on them - double whammy, they do it with a foreigner!
$$$! |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucas wrote: |
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| Dredging up an 11 year old thread asides, are there still that many credit defaulters? Why do so many chicks with bad credit have to be hookers anyways? |
Maybe you could become a rent boy? You'll pay off your debts faster + get loads of mature Korean action.
You could advertise it as a 'revenge' service, for women who's husbands have cheated on them - double whammy, they do it with a foreigner!
$$$! |
Don't tempt me. I'm don't have milf loving fantasies like some guys do. But, some women here do look pretty good in their 40's and even into their early 50's, I must admit. I usually stick to my own age (30's) or date younger (20's). Maybe, I should reconsider. Ha ha.
(I see you've read my posts before. Lol.) |
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