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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Them there teacher movies Reply with quote

I noticed one of the big movies these days, probably heading for some oscar nods, is Freedom Writers.

Before you started teaching, were you inspired by all those other teacher movies? Dead Poet Society, Mr Holland's Opus, Goodbye Mr Chips, To Sir with Love, Educating Rita, Dangerous Minds, Welcome Back Kotter, etc? And after 5 minutes of teaching, did you realize they were all total crap? The kids aren't just really yearning for a cool teach who wears a Che Guevara tshirt, quotes Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, and Rush, and listens to their problems? All they're really yearning for is an extra hour of sleep and a chance to play video games? In fact, cooler and kinder you are, more the kids just want to take advantage of you and play?

You begin to realize that the dull, clock punching teachers you had back in high school probably didn't start their career simply content to punch the clown every day and then collect their sweet retirement package after 30 years? They probably started off as idealistic educators but a succession of dim witted students, parents who can't give a wit, and a school system that encourages it all just made them into happy clown punchers?
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've taught almost everything. High school, ESL adults, kids, teachers, Grade 4, Grade 7-8, phys ed. geography, french, music, computers, sex ed., philosophy and so much more.

Got to say, my experience is totally different from your own. Reminds me that happiness is the decision to do what you can and not let others be responsible for that happiness. You sell both students and teachers short. I won't even guess why.

Still idealistic,

DD
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may be good movies or TV shows but they aren't reality. There was one recently called 'Boston Public' -- pretty much a soap opera. I think people have ideals in minds for what a teacher should be. Sometimes this ideal includes patience, kindness, being well-spoken and polite, outgoing, enthusiastic. energetic, and other qualities. Very few people have all these fine qualities even part of the time. Also, a lot of people have no idea what the job is like. Some think it's easy with lots of vacation and decent benefits. Maybe they think teachers just stand there like Mr. Kotter and dispense wisdom and are always cheerful because their job is easy and their students love them. Everyone goes to school, everyone knows young people can be hard to deal with, yet some still think teaching is an easy job. Mainly though I dislike the ideal of what a teacher should be. I think teachers should get angry sometimes, maybe even swear in class if they are really pissed off. Why the ideal? Are teachers in general special people? Not at all. They do an important job but they're not much different than the taxi driver or doctor. I also dislike when people on this forum say "teacher" in that sarcastic way. It leads me to believe they think they are great and follow this ideal of what a teacher should be, like these ideal characters in the movies.
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Re: Them there teacher movies Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I noticed one of the big movies these days, probably heading for some oscar nods, is Freedom Writers.

Before you started teaching, were you inspired by all those other teacher movies? Dead Poet Society, Mr Holland's Opus, Goodbye Mr Chips, To Sir with Love, Educating Rita, Dangerous Minds, Welcome Back Kotter, etc? And after 5 minutes of teaching, did you realize they were all total crap? The kids aren't just really yearning for a cool teach who wears a Che Guevara tshirt, quotes Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, and Rush, and listens to their problems? All they're really yearning for is an extra hour of sleep and a chance to play video games? In fact, cooler and kinder you are, more the kids just want to take advantage of you and play?

You begin to realize that the dull, clock punching teachers you had back in high school probably didn't start their career simply content to punch the clown every day and then collect their sweet retirement package after 30 years? They probably started off as idealistic educators but a succession of dim witted students, parents who can't give a wit, and a school system that encourages it all just made them into happy clown punchers?


Probably because if you wear a T-shirt of one of top ten murderous humans that ever lived, Guevara, you'll be looked at with hatred. Most Koreans are rabidly anti-Communist, and don't find him or like minded individuals "cool." Why on God's green earth would you wear something so political anyway, unless you are at some hippie bar, playing hacky sack, or at a Communist rally?
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They probably started off as idealistic educators but a succession of dim witted students, parents who can't give a wit, and a school system that encourages it all just made them into happy clown punchers?


The bad guy is, as always, mandatory education. The Korean education system must be the best argument against mandatory education in the Universe.

I posted this a few months ago, but I'll repost it for posterity.
http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html?seenIEPage=1

Meh. The whole idea of teaching things to people is highly flawed.
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
The bad guy is, as always, mandatory education. The Korean education system must be the best argument against mandatory education in the Universe.

I posted this a few months ago, but I'll repost it for posterity.
http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html?seenIEPage=1

Meh. The whole idea of teaching things to people is highly flawed.


Nice link; I assume you know Holt and Ilich as well. Less common, but have you read the educational anthroplogist Erickson's work where he describes high school diplomas as 'docility cerftificates'? You might also like Leo van Lier's Interaction in the Language Curriculum, which argues for a transformative rather than transfer education, built around real conversations with learners.

I just spent a class today with my Korean teacher trainees and at the end of it I spent ten minutes explaining why I had frustrated them by making them try to figure which of four theories best accounted for SLA, rather than telling them what I thought. I tried to explain that what I believed was only tangentially important, and what they believed and how they could think about it using evidence and use their beliefs in their teaching was more important. I got some nods and okays, but I think many still went away frustrated with the expert who wouldn't fill their heads. But I was pleased that a few seemed to get it, and I think with more work, over the next 5 months, more might start to understand that they have to educate themselves in order to help others do the same.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Them there teacher movies Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I noticed one of the big movies these days, probably heading for some oscar nods, is Freedom Writers.

Before you started teaching, were you inspired by all those other teacher movies? Dead Poet Society, Mr Holland's Opus, Goodbye Mr Chips, To Sir with Love, Educating Rita, Dangerous Minds, Welcome Back Kotter, etc? And after 5 minutes of teaching, did you realize they were all total crap? The kids aren't just really yearning for a cool teach who wears a Che Guevara tshirt, quotes Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, and Rush, and listens to their problems? All they're really yearning for is an extra hour of sleep and a chance to play video games? In fact, cooler and kinder you are, more the kids just want to take advantage of you and play?

You begin to realize that the dull, clock punching teachers you had back in high school probably didn't start their career simply content to punch the clown every day and then collect their sweet retirement package after 30 years? They probably started off as idealistic educators but a succession of dim witted students, parents who can't give a wit, and a school system that encourages it all just made them into happy clown punchers?


At least Mr. Holland could get through to his kids through using things the kids liked (i.e. rock & roll) In Korea, you could translate a super junior/dong bang shingi/ whatever into English, teach it to the kids, and I doubt even that would break most of them out of their oblivious stupor. I don't necessarily blame the kids for that, as others have mentioned, they are overworked, overstressed etc. Just makes it difficult on English teachers.
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:

have you read the educational anthroplogist Erickson's work where he describes high school diplomas as 'docility cerftificates'?


The last 2 years of my high school weren't like that.

Woland wrote:
You might also like Leo van Lier's Interaction in the Language Curriculum, which argues for a transformative rather than transfer education, built around real conversations with learners.


They were like that. I thought everyone (in the west) learned to analyze, argue and think critically in high school. No?

It's all these Bachelor of Arts degrees that are a waste. I mean, what are they teaching us to be for 3-4 years? Smug? That ain't much of a trade.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Them there teacher movies Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:

Probably because if you wear a T-shirt of one of top ten murderous humans that ever lived, Guevara, you'll be looked at with hatred. Most Koreans are rabidly anti-Communist, and don't find him or like minded individuals "cool." Why on God's green earth would you wear something so political anyway, unless you are at some hippie bar, playing hacky sack, or at a Communist rally?


Actually you see Che Guevara tshirts on sale a lot in Korea and worn by a number of younger Koreans. There are an awful lot of pro-North Koreans in the South. What do you think their politics are? As well, people generally don't view Guevara as an archetype for "communism" (he was actually a marxist) but an archetype for their silly lil' revolutionary weening (eg "seizing the means of production").

And I thought putting in "Rush" in the list was a subtle tip off I was being facetious in my description of a "cool" teacher.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: Them there teacher movies Reply with quote

Mashimaro wrote:
In Korea, you could translate a super junior/dong bang shingi/ whatever into English, teach it to the kids, and I doubt even that would break most of them out of their oblivious stupor. I don't necessarily blame the kids for that, as others have mentioned, they are overworked, overstressed etc. Just makes it difficult on English teachers.


I try to mention Super Junior a lot.
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