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Isiod
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: EPIK Pay and Hours |
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| I am looking into the EPIK program as a newbie and just don't understand being contracted for over 40 hours on a pay rate of only 1.8m. I hear a lot of gloating about public schools, but are these people on non-EPIK rates. My searches on EPIK have mainly brought up pre-2004 info. I am not confident in vague claims that one will be allowed to leave the school grounds when not teaching. Any comments welcome. |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Public schools seem to be about 2.0 to 2.1 now foer your basic teacher with no exp. and a non-education, non-English BA.
The advantages seem to be less TEACHING hours than most Hogwons.
However, you are mandated to be on-site 8 to 9 (with 1 hour break) days a week even though it won't take anywhere near all of that time to prep for your lessons - at least not after a few months. But 40 mandated on-site hours a weelk is as much or more on-site timethan most Hogwons (but less teaching).
On the plus side, many schools do not enforce mandatory on-site hours. But some do.
Also, you have way mor vacation than Hogwon teachers. However, it is being cut into. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: Re: EPIK Pay and Hours |
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| Isiod wrote: |
| I am looking into the EPIK program as a newbie and just don't understand being contracted for over 40 hours on a pay rate of only 1.8m. I hear a lot of gloating about public schools, but are these people on non-EPIK rates. My searches on EPIK have mainly brought up pre-2004 info. I am not confident in vague claims that one will be allowed to leave the school grounds when not teaching. Any comments welcome. |
A newbie with no experience and no qualifications (other that a bachelors degree in a non-realted field) working in a public school starts at 1.8.
That is your base salary for a 40 hour week.
Within that 40 hour week you will be expected to teach 22 classes of 40 minutes duration.
If you teach additional classes you get paid an extra 20k won PER CLASS.
Under the guidelines you can work up to an additional 6 classes per week.
Base salary 1.8mil.
Extra class allowance 480k
Total = 2.280 mil per month for 28 (40 minute) classes per week for a green as grass newbie.
If you stay for an additional year or get a TESOL certification you get bumped up a level and get an additional 200k per month. If you do both then you get 300k more per month.
You then get an extra 100 k per month for every additional year you stay on up to a limit of 2.7 mil base and 600k for extra classes.
My average gross monthly salary runs in the neighborhood of 3 mil + housing and benefits. I am home by 5 and enjoy my weekends off and 6 weeks total holidays per year:
14 working days (not calendar days) in the contract,
5 additional working days for a rural designated school,
10 additional working days off for working more than 40 hours of camps during the summer and winter breaks
2 calendar weeks annually for contract renewal. |
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Isiod
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: Move Post |
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| Cheers for the replies but I think I put this on the wrong forum, it should be on Job-related forum. I might move it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
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However, you are mandated to be on-site 8 to 9 (with 1 hour break) days a week . |
It's 8-4 or 9-5. 8-9? Where are you getting your information? That equates to far more than 40 hours a week. That's 13 hours a day! |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Apologies. I meant 8 - 9 HOURS a day. And if it is 9 then I heard you get an hour lunch. |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:02 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz,
How can you be at 3 million if you are a public school teacher?
Is that because you are at the max 2.7 and then you get some hourlies for the extra classe as was mentioned/ What are your degrees and or how long have you been in Public schools here?
Do you get extra holidays as you re-sign and become more experienced?
How many holidays does a newbie get? |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
ttompatz,
How can you be at 3 million if you are a public school teacher?
Is that because you are at the max 2.7 and then you get some hourlies for the extra classe as was mentioned/ What are your degrees and or how long have you been in Public schools here?
Do you get extra holidays as you re-sign and become more experienced?
How many holidays does a newbie get? |
It's called "housing allowince" and "non-big city living allowance" When you work a few hours overtime you can easily make over 3.0 million. I am level 1 and I currently take home 3.2 and could easily do more. |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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He said he gets 3 million PLUS housing.
Also, if you work overtime classes, it seems that they just eat into part of the remaining 40 hours a week you are contracted to be on-site for, but don't actually have enough prep to fill up. So tehse overtime classes sound like they don't actually make you work more than 40 total hours. cool. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
He said he gets 3 million PLUS housing.
Also, if you work overtime classes, it seems that they just eat into part of the remaining 40 hours a week you are contracted to be on-site for, but don't actually have enough prep to fill up. So tehse overtime classes sound like they don't actually make you work more than 40 total hours. cool. |
That is correct. I average 3 million PLUS housing with extra pay for extra classes included in that sum.
The extra classes are done during your afternoons instead of playing games and web surfing.
A level 3 newbie gets 20k per extra 40 minute class. Level 1's with experience can get more.
6 extra classes per week during the afternoons can give you between 480 and 600k in extra pay and you still only spend 40 hours per week in the school.
Even a green as grass newbie on a base salary of 1.8 can get more that 2.2 if s/he works the extra 6 afternoon classes (like I outlined in my first post) and they would still be home by 5.
For the record I am at a public elementary school. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| The downfall of EPIK is that they pay less. If you go directly to the Chungchamnam Board of Education you can get 2.4-2.6 to start. I have contacted them directly and know. I took up a university position instead but have looked at public school jobs in Chungchamnam Providence. |
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Isiod
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Class Size |
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What about the class size of up to 40. If it is that big do you always get another teacher in the class. I have experiance as a teacher assistant but I am a newbie to EFL. Is this going to be worth it for 1.8. I am looking at Busan.
Think I will wait till moderators see this is in the wrong forum. |
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Isiod
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: Class Size |
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What about the class size of up to 40. If it is that big do you always get another teacher in the class. I have experiance as a teacher assistant but I am a newbie to EFL. Is this going to be worth it for 1.8. I am looking at Busan.
PS Think I will wait till moderators see this is in the wrong forum. |
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EMKAYES
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz,
How did you get your extra 5 days vacation for your Rural School? I work, in what I would class as rural schools (4 elementary schools to be precise) all out in the sticks. One school with 25 kids total!
And I too work more than 40 hours of camps in the summer and winter.
Were these in your contract to begin with or have you negotiated them as time has passed (like at time of renewing a contract)?
I am interested to find out!
thanks |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
| Apologies. I meant 8 - 9 HOURS a day. And if it is 9 then I heard you get an hour lunch. |
It's either 8-4 or 9-5 (although there may be a few exceptions). That's only 8 hours a day...and you get an hour lunch break...so in reality only 7 hours. |
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