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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: What is a Fair Salary for CDI then? |
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I made the comment below in another thread about CDI in response to a guy offered 2.1 monthly. What would be a fair salary for working in this situation?
Assume you are teaching the basic courses without extra prep beyond the minimum listed below (and not the crazy advanced ones that turn your brain to mush lol).
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2.1 for 120 TEACHING hours a month +
*be at school min. 30 minutes before start of classes each day ( so another forced 10-12 hours a month of attendance)
*must work one weekend day a week (usually a 6 day schedule)
*about an average of 1 hour a week of training meetings/worshops
*unpaid prep for classes that CAN be pretty demanding. At 2.1 you are not beinga sked to teach classes that require much more than 30 minutes a day of prep. But they can ask you to teach harder ones later in the year and won't generally give more money.
*week of FULL TIME unpaid training
On top of that, Individual Branches often have extra demands that go beyond the basic CDI requirements and can add up to another hour to 90 minutes a week of grunt work and meetings.
So you could be looking at a weekly average of 30 teaching hours + 180 mandatory prep minutes + 90 grunt work/housekeeping minutes + 60 training minutes of work on average each week spread over 6 days you work (think travel time if you are not very close!).
35.5 hours of works each week (minimum, assuming you are a light prepper) for 2.1 million + maybe another 200,000 in overtime pay on the longer months so for 2.3 million total.
You generally get no national holidays or other holidays. You get one calendar week off (NOT 7 teaching days). You get paid for it. But when you can take it is very restricted.
Finally, performance expectations are very high compared to your average hogwon. There is little flexibility in the schedule, you must stand most of the time, and your classes are recorded *always* and analyzed frequently. You will be pushed to work harder and harder during the class time. There is little room for hangovers, bad days, or feeling lazy. So on top of long hours, you also have to work much harder during the hours you do work than other hogwans. Often MUCH harder (there is no hangman at CDI - ever).
On the plus side:
*paid on time
*won't go bankrupt
*often a 500,000 to 1,000,000 signing bonus
*lots of curriculum support
*no preparing your own materials
*students are very well behaved and maintaing discipline is easy
*curriculum is very good and you feel you really are teaching
*you will learn how to teach exremely well compared to the average Hogwon or Public School teacher (even if you only have average natural talent or ability).
*a very professional environment and few horror storie s(relatively speaking)
*lots of room for upward mobility, to make extra money on the side legally, and to have a 3-5 year mini-career where you make more and more money each year if you are good (eventually making quite a bit more than almost all alternatives).
So you decide. CDI has a lot of intangibles on the plus side. But they expect you to work for them. They generally do not pay the average first year teacher anywhere near the same amount per unit of effort as compared to other Hogwons. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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For that? They wouldn't pay me enough to make it worth my while. I could get a public school job 5 days a week that'd pay me 2.3ish (I might be more experienced with better qualifications though) which has slightly more contracted holidays plus lots of random days off. And probably more holidays which aren't in the contract.
For the conditions you listed.. I just wouldn't do it. They'd seriously have to pay me WAY more than what they'd be willing (like 3+).
If you want to work in a hagwan you could probably negotiate 2.2 for 30ish classes a week, 5 days, with housing without experience. If I was to work in a hagwan again I wouldn't consider the CDI thing you quoted. Maybe if I was qualified to teach their high paying TOEFL etc. classes and I didn't have to do any prep I might consider it. Probably not though. Holidays and <=5 days a week is far superior. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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After reading your other thread though.
If I could get an average of 30,000/hr for 27hrs a week on their hourly deal I'd consider it =) If it was block shifts. And I didn't need to prep too much. Otherwise a uni or most public school jobs would be superior. I like the idea of a decent curriculum already designed. Not had had that yet in Korea. |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm...2 years ago 30,000 / hour for almost the same conditions (a little less of the franchise mandated extras since there were no franchises) was the minimum pay rate for all teachers.
You could get that and still teach all low-prep / soon no-prep as you got the hang of them - classes. You would have perhaps a 3 hour saturday or sunday class. But the rest would be block shifts and you could work 24, 27, 30, or 33 hours etc... and switch up how many every term.
You can still get that now depending on your interview, timing, luck, if they like you etc... But they might try to push one or two higher level classes on you that have more prep.
CDI is not *really* that hellish per se and there is still a hell of a lot going for it. It is just a matter of getting the right salary rate IMO. |
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rouge871
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Avoid Franchise |
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If you are a good instructor, avoid CDI franchise and rather, go to the main branches (hourly). Will work out better, period.
If you are someone here to just shoot the breeze/do your own thing, avoid branch because you will probably be terminated in 3-6 months and start a brand new job search. Those CDI branch people take their jobs too seriously.
Instead, if you want laughs/giggles/socialized welfare, CDI franchise/salary or another 'hagwon' is your only real option. |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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The line between company-owned original branches and "branchises" (franchises that ascend to branch status and often become minority owned by CDI proper) is becoming a lot more blurred.
No doubt teaching at Chungdahm proper is still the most demanding place in the company. But I would bet that some Branchises rival some of the other company-owned branches now in terms of performance expectations. |
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