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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| What about the "time of the month"? Maybe some voters aren't comfortable with that? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think white women would do a very good job running the US, because they just don't seem to have the ability, ambition, or brains to do well in politics - at least compared to white men. Look at the US's history: for over 200 years, there have been just as many white women as white men in the US in the population, yet during that history how many of them have risen to the top, politically? The fact that so few of them have done so seems to indicate that white women just "don't have what it takes", so to speak.
In the past 200 years, very few white women have shown much interest in politics, beyond voting as their husbands have told them to do. Even today, the majority of white women voters vote for white male candidates, rather whan white women candidates.
The obvious conclusion is that white men predominate in elections because white women are just too disorganized, disinterested, or unskilled to participate significantly in the political system. It's not for a lack of white women: the sex ratio is around 50:50. That being the case, why should white men be blamed for being successful? |
I disagree with that. You must have forgotten Ma Ferguson of Texas in U.S. history. There are women CEOs who run companies quite well. Also, back to Texas you forgot about the popular Texas governor Anne Richards no matter what you thought about her drinking. She was definitely better than Bush, and he won due to Rove's smear campaign, but that is another issue. There are also notable Congresswomen out there. And there have been plenty of women in politics like Madeleine Albright. I don't like Albright, but she was there, nonetheless. I agree there aren't enough white women interested in politcs, but it is very bad among white men as well and that is why the current mess is out there.
The majority of Americans are white. Usually, people vote for someone who belongs to the majority or resembles them. However, there have been plenty of black mayors and police chiefs. There were probably some governors, but I cannot recall one. I do know there is a Hispanic governor -Bill Richardson.
I would rather vote for Obama than Hillary Clinton if I was to take part in the next election. I think it would also be good for dealing with race relations and divisions in many of the urban areas of America. Hillary is too much of a political opportunist not that being somewhat of one is not okay. Of course, I do admire her for many things she has done.
If there was another woman running who was charismatic then I would support her, maybe. If Bush could run again, I would rather have Pat Buchanan in a heart beat. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| MOS, I think it is time for you to step in and tell these poor people that you didn't mean any of that. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If Bush could run again, I would rather have Pat Buchanan in a heart beat. |
You'd trade up to Satan himself? |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Buchanan's domestic policy couldn't be much worse than Bush and his foreign policy would be demonstrably better. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| yes, i agree. Buchanan would be an improvement over dubya. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, especially those first 120 years or so when the lazy bit%$#* didn't even come out to vote! |
Exactly. The sex ratio in the US has been roughly the same for the past 200 years, yet it took over 100 years or so for the white women to get up the ambition and organization to get the vote. The first 120 years they were perfectly happy to let their husbands do all the voting and politicking. If the sex ratio has been the same all along, why did it take so long for the white women to get organized?
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| I disagree with that. You must have forgotten Ma Ferguson of Texas in U.S. history. There are women CEOs who run companies quite well. Also, back to Texas you forgot about the popular Texas governor Anne Richards no matter what you thought about her drinking. She was definitely better than Bush, and he won due to Rove's smear campaign, but that is another issue. |
Exactly my point. On an individual level, the white women are - and have always been - perfectly capable of doing all the same jobs as white men can do and achieving the same political positions that white men get. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Look what happened during the Revolutionary War. There were numerous famous instances of the white women taking up the cause and actually joining the war, as soldiers, if not as spies, doctors, etc. But what happened? As soon as the War of Independence was over, white men got the vote. The white women didn't. The white women could have pointed out, "Hey, we worked hard for Liberty, too: we deserve the vote too." The war of Independence was a golden opportunity for the white women, politically speaking. But they didn't. The maj...no, I stand corrected: almost ALL of them - were perfectly happy to leave politics to their husbands and stay at home to be farmers houswives. Even though the white women had the numbers in terms of sheer population to organize themselves and get the vote.
During the settlement of the west in the late 1800s, there were plenty of opportunites for the white women to achieve economic and political power. The west being so big, any person - man or woman - could go off and find a piece of land, and start their own farm or ranch. Lots of white men did it, very few of the white women did it. Most of them preferred to be housewives and live off their husbands. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Then look what happened during World War II. All the white men went off to fight Hitler and Tojo - you didn't see the white women clamoring in droves to go off and kill Japs - the white women stayed home. The white men died like flies at Iwo Jima and Normandy, but you didn't see any of the white women dying on those beaches. The white women stayed home, got jobs in factories and production plants, and made lots of money.
Then the war ended, the white men came home and said, "We want those jobs now," and the white women said, "Fine, take them, we want to go back to being housewives." Maybe not every single one, but the vast majority of them. Even though for the first time in US history, the white women could earn an independent income and livelihood, the vast majority of them chose to give up that opportunity and go back to being housewives.
Does that sound like a politically or economically astute decision to you? |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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So the question arises, if white men have historically shown an interest in politics and an ability to be successful in organizing themselves to participate, politically, why should they be blamed for being successful? It's only been in the last 25 years or so that the white women have shown a substantial interest in participating in the political process, and there has been an immediate positive result. There are now more white women politicians and officeholders in the US than ever before. Because the white women are finally starting to get their act together.
But even still, as a group, the white women still don't seem to have the ability, ambition, or brains to get themselves properly organized in politics. The vast majority of the white women vote for white male candidates, rather than white women candidates. That's just plain faulty wiring upstairs. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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If you were black, and wanted to increase the number of black politicians in the US...would you vote for the black candidate or the white candidate? C'mon.
Would the white women do a better job as politicians than white men? There's not an awful lot of evidence in the historical record that they could even do as well as the white men, let alone better. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| MOS, you're aware that until quite recently in the West women were essentially considered as property of their husbands and fathers, right? Rape and beatings were legal, and women trying to live independent from men had very, very few economic opportunities. Not really conducive to independent political organisation, wouldn't you agree? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| If Bush could run again, I would rather have Pat Buchanan in a heart beat. |
You'd trade up to Satan himself? |
Actually, I do like some things about Patrick Buchanan. He is eloquent unlike Bush. He got into politics not because of any familial connexions. He also is quite knowledgeable about world affairs. He may not be viewed as progressive to some people in some domestic areas, but he would have been better as president than Bush any day. I think the GOP would have been better off with him or McCain. It was folly to choose him. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: ... |
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| Would the white women do a better job as politicians than white men? There's not an awful lot of evidence in the historical record that they could even do as well as the white men, let alone better. |
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madcap

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: Gangneung, Korea
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| wow. MOS, I'm kind of speachless. Please tell me you aren't really that low-brow. That's like saying that black people are naturally violent and lazy and turing a blind eye to all the detrimental social and economic factors through the years. Traditionally women have been viewed as second class citizens and the sole property of their husbands. Kudos to them for getting as far as they have and best wishes for the future. (Hmm...that ought to get me laid) |
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