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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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The Man known as The Man and Canukistan you poor poor guys. The Legend is chasing your posts around now, with his ever redundant thoughts. Well better you than me.
HAND 
p.s. Urban please for gods sake, learn how to use the functions on this board. You do not need to make 3 posts in a row as you cut and paste all the quotes. Simply scroll down and use the topic review function to find the quotes you want to use. It 'll save these poor gentlemen the headache you gave me.
p.s.s. Actually do you get along with anyone? |
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Hankukin
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey Urban Myth, maybe you should just concede. Your posts are only making you sound hypocritical and unprofessional. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Urban Myth, forgive my snappiness. I tend to get riled when people don't make sense. Your response didn't disappoint.
I don't worry about your two jobs despite the high probability that one of them is illegal.
Could it be you're doing it for the extra MONEY?
Or is it only for those high-minded ideals of the love of teaching?
Curious for someone trying to claim the moral high ground.
While you seem unable to reconcile my teaching intentions with my fiscal motives,
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Neither one of them is illegal. In fact I was asked to take the second one on and accepted due to the fact that I enjoy teaching. If I were here for the money, I'd do privates instead. Teaching intentions? That's funny coming from someone who claimed she was here for the money and not the educational factors.
As for Mr. Mankind what is your problem? Because you were beaten in the last debate, now you have to come on here and find new allies? PS. For your information there are Turks and Russians teaching English here. A number of people have pointed this out already.
Hankukin. I don't know about you. But your post seems a clear attempt to curry favour with some of the people on the board after they ripped you a new one for asking about how to rat out a foreign teacher . Talk about unprofessional. |
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canuckistan
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Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:01 am Post subject: |
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I'll try not use those ten-dollar words that shame you so.
Show me where I have ever claimed to be here for the money and not the educational factors. You can't because I never did. In fact, I've said much the opposite. But of course you have consistently chosen to ignore that. This is why I would never pick you to be on the debating team. 
Teaching is my chosen profession So I guess you could say that educational factors have been kind of inherent in the last 10 years of my life and teaching career. In fact, since I specialize in TESL, it would seem like a nice little fit to come here and work huh?
Or would it seem more palatable to you if teachers worked only where they were born, raised, and bred?
"Stay Home! Stay Home! Oh True Teachers Only Stay Home!"
Or if they prefaced everything with: " I do love teaching so"
So once again, for His Incredibly Obtuse:
I work here, I enjoy my job, I get paid well, and I save it.
And that just seems to piss you off. Makes you look incredibly dumb too. So Sorry! 
May I suggest that rather than questioning the integrity of other peoples' choices of teaching careers or work locations, Super Teacher instead gets off his self-righteous butt and goes gets his B-Ed. Then he'll have all the credentials to get really nauseatingly puffed up and pass judgement on everyone's motives (including their reasons for posting!).... and make them truly gaggingly sick with his holier-than-thou attitude.
P.S. And bone up on some English vocabulary while you're at it.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Of course we're here for the low-taxed money, money, money!!! Why else would we be putting up with the daily crap and muck of hogwans?
If I put more weight on the educational factor than the money, I sure as *beep* wouldn't be teaching in this joke of an industry, I'd be back in Canuckistan at a REAL school feeling oh so good about the 200 papers I spent all weekend grading, getting docked 25% of my pay, and wondering if I'm going to finally get permanence after years of B.Stty contracts.
Filthy, Filthy, Filthy Capitalist Canuckistan |
You wanted to know where you said that you were here for money. Well here you go. I knew if I gave you enough rope you'd hang yourself. You even use the term "joke" to describe your job.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
May I suggest that rather than questioning the integrity of other peoples' choices of teaching careers or work locations, Super Teacher instead gets off his self-righteous butt and goes gets his B-Ed. Then he'll have all the credentials to get really nauseatingly puffed up and pass judgement on everyone's motives (including their reasons for posting!).... and make them truly gaggingly sick with his holier-than-thou attitude.
P.S. And bone up on some English vocabulary while you're at it. |
I guess you missed the post in another thread where I stated that I taught for three years in Canada. I already have my credentials, but thanks for the "advice".
Anyway I merely posted that teachers should go into teaching because they like it and not solely for the paycheck. Why does that offend you so? I never mentioned you by name until you started flaming me. It's an OPINION, which I am entitled to, just as you are entitled to yours.
This is why I posted as I did. If you are motivated by the joy of teaching you are likely to pass on the passion to your students. If you are just here for a paycheck you are also likely to pass on that attitude to your students.
Not that I am saying that ALL people who are here for a paycheck are bad teachers. The second reason is that to go into teaching to get rich is not a good idea. How many high school teachers are rich? Not that many. If you want a big paycheck law or medicine pay more. (I am not saying you in specific Canuck, I am using the generic you)
Now back to my opinion. It's not Holy Writ. A simple opinion which I posted. I guess people are not supposed to have them unless they agree with you? Here's a suggestion for the above posters (Mankind, Canuck and the Man)
Attacking the person instead of the opinion makes you look small-minded and gets your posts edited. I yet have to see ONE post that hasn't contained childish insults. A more mature approach would be something along these lines.
"While you are entitled to your opinion Urban, you are in fact dead wrong. People should go into teaching more for the money than for the students. Here's why....." And then you can give all the reasons without the flames.
Personally I don't think any of you are capable of doing this, but if you are I'd be interested in continuing this debate. But if it's going to continue on into a flamefest there is no point in doing so. It's just going to get locked. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:11 am Post subject: |
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As a teacher I like my job and my students, that's a given, AND I like getting paid well for it. Why shouldn't I? Like I said before His Obtuseness, being an interested teacher and getting paid well for it are not mutually exclusive. Despite the disorganized nature of hagwons, Korea offers BOTH.
A situation which does not exist back home.
But obviously you didn't catch the irony and sarcasm about that in my post.
I still wouldn't pick you to be on the debating team.
Well you finally seem to have understood. No one goes into teaching for the money. I took issue with your intimating that somehow getting paid well for it and liking it somehow makes a person a lesser teacher, or not care about their students. Next time, don't judge someone's integrity concerning the way and why they do their job because they like getting paid well for it and keeping most of it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| ? Like I said before His Obtuseness, being an interested teacher and getting paid well for it are not mutually exclusive. . |
And where did I say they are?
I never intimated anything. That's what you read into it. Next time try to take things a little more at face value. I still don't understand why you got so defensive about it. Obviously if you enjoy your job then I wasn't talking about you, and this whole little debate was pointless. Just for the record I have no problem with people being paid well, I just said it shouldn't be the main priority.
PS. Let's not hijack this thread anymore. If you want to reply let's take it to PM. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
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T.U.M, Mercenary?!!! Saving 2,500 bucks a month for doing my job is not mercenary, it's simply good personal financial planning or do you not believe in that either?
Filthy, Filthy, Filthy, Filthy Capitalist Canuckistan |
Canadians are supposed to be socialist, apologetic and compliant.
Urban Myth, if you want nothing but idealist dreamsers, you'd make a great hagwon owner.
HTH |
To the MKATM. In order to be a teacher, should a person not enjoy teaching or at least like kids? If a person is only in it for the money and nothing else, I don't think that they can call themselves a teacher in any real sense of the word. |
And your condemnation of said teachers is valid for what exact reason? |
That they are not teachers. |
Do you even have an attention span? |
You didn't answer either of the previous 2 questions.
And your condemnation of said teachers is valid for what exact reason?
DO YOU EVEN HAVE[i] AN ATTENTION SPAN?
WELL? |
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canuckistan
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This is the last I'm going to say about this very tiresome debate.
People come to work here as teachers for all kinds of reasons.
Money is a very large one.
They have no teaching experience or related degree.
They do a great job.
And they're doing it for the filthy, filthy lucre.
It's totally B.S. to judge whether someone is a "real teacher" by what their motives are for being here. (Oh the shame of it, they may even want to schmeg off to Thailand after 6 months!!!! )
Motives have NOTHING to do with whether someone is a "real" teacher or not.
It's about what goes on in the classroom, period. |
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William Beckerson
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I'm here because I'm a pretend teacher getting paid well to be a pretend teacher.
And I dont give a damn about someone's work experience or education, if you aint working in a real school, then you're here pretending to be a teacher too. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm here because I'm a pretend teacher getting paid well to be a pretend teacher.
And I dont give a damn about someone's work experience or education, if you aint working in a real school, then you're here pretending to be a teacher too. |
Just curious if you consider yourself a pretend artist? One might say they don't give a damn about your work if you aren't good enough to be employed by it.
Or do you consider yourself a pretend web programmer for the same reason?
Is any part of your life real?
Just curious. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
| William Beckerson wrote: |
I'm here because I'm a pretend teacher getting paid well to be a pretend teacher.
And I dont give a damn about someone's work experience or education, if you aint working in a real school, then you're here pretending to be a teacher too. |
Just curious if you consider yourself a pretend artist? One might say they don't give a damn about your work if you aren't good enough to be employed by it.
Or do you consider yourself a pretend web programmer for the same reason?
Is any part of your life real?
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Probably the rasslin'. |
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saint_moi
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: That little place where I'm meant to be.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 10:23 pm Post subject: haha |
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I earn more money than yoooooou hoo, neee ne ne neeee ne
En core Mr. Beckerson. Can anyone actaully post anything other than cute msgs that spur on a peeing contest? As Maggie Thatcher said it best; "the insecurities are getting oh-so-tiresome."
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William Beckerson
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Is any part of your life real?
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Yeah.
The part where I had a real relationship with a Korean girl. I'll describe it to you sometime if you're curious about getting one yourself some day. |
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