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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| I'm with the last two posters. Explain why you think this is a "bigger" story, or even why it should be a "big" story of any degree. |
The slant of media is that the church is corrupt, and full of hypocrites. However, when Ted Haggert's lover blows the whistle on him, the media jumps on it. Full blown news for weeks.....another pastor who is a hypocrite and even worse; a homosexual hypocrite. A delightful story for those who hate the church.
However, the real story is how the church reacts to the whistle blower. Instead of hating him or condemning him like most corporations or government bodies would, the church members react to him with kindness and thanks.
Now that's the real story. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
well if the church were in saudi, it might make the news at 10. 
Colorado though? afraid not. |
Is Colorado one of the more loony areas? I thought is wasn't.. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Is Colorado one of the more loony areas? I thought is wasn't.. |
Colorado Springs is the headquarters to a number of evangelical churches (such as Haggard's). That's the closest thing it comes to loony. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't that where the weird Mormon types are too? I think the town from Big Love (HBO) was based on CS. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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The slant of media is that the church is corrupt, and full of hypocrites. However, when Ted Haggert's lover blows the whistle on him, the media jumps on it. Full blown news for weeks.....another pastor who is a hypocrite and even worse; a homosexual hypocrite. A delightful story for those who hate the church.
However, the real story is how the church reacts to the whistle blower. Instead of hating him or condemning him like most corporations or government bodies would, the church members react to him with kindness and thanks.
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No, the real story is the first one. Ted Haggard was a big player in the movement against same-sex marriage, which was a major political issue. His association with the prostitute forced him to leave his position at the church and his role in the anti-ssm movement. So that is a POLITICAL story, and was given the appropriate amount of coverage.
The prostitute visiting the church, on the other hand, had no political ramifications, and is best thought of as a human-interest story, significant only because of its connection to the more important political story. So it was given a due amount of coverage, then dropped.
If Mary Jo Kopechne's family issued a statement saying that they were no longer angry at Ted Kennedy, would you expect people to still be talking about it in thirty years, the way they still discuss the original incident? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| What you won't see on CNN... |
Back to this thread's illuminating title. Commonly-heard criticism.
Here is what you will not see on CNN: everything from every perspective. Does that mean that CNN or any other source's information is bogus?
I just read Woland's summary on "objective truth" on another thread. Just to follow up on what he said (and here is as good a place as any to articulate it): there is no final answer to anything. There is no Olympian perspective. Or if there is, we humans will not likely ever attain it. Perceptual, linguistic, and other limitations. Anytime we merely form words we bend, distort, and do violence to "reality" -- whatever that is.
When I see books, articles, theses, and newsreports criticized "for failing to address gender, the environment, 'the cultural turn,' this or that nation or political interest group's perspective," etc., I always ask: does this critic believe that should this or that author rewrite his or her work to address such things, then it might represent the Truth?
If not, why not accept the other perspective as just that: another perspective?
See Karl Mannheim's Weimar-era Ideology and Utopia: An Introduction to the Sociology of Knowledge. Predates postmodernism by several decades and does not make a nihilistic case. Rather, people can and should recognize which interests are at stake in this or that perspective, not judge or evaluate any of them, exchange views in a practical manner, and live with uncertainty. |
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chamisul
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
The slant of media is that the church is corrupt, and full of hypocrites. However, when Ted Haggert's lover blows the whistle on him, the media jumps on it. Full blown news for weeks.....another pastor who is a hypocrite and even worse; a homosexual hypocrite. A delightful story for those who hate the church.
However, the real story is how the church reacts to the whistle blower. Instead of hating him or condemning him like most corporations or government bodies would, the church members react to him with kindness and thanks.
Now that's the real story. |
The former involves a church leader living a life that was directly opposed to the standards he set for himself AND tried to impose on everyone else.
The latter involves christians living up to the standards they set for themselves.
Your complaint reminds me of the Chris Rock bit on nigg-rs.
"Nigg-rs always want credit for some sh-t they're supposed to do." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| That's the closest thing it comes to loony |
Loony churches aren't the only thing Colorado has going for it. It has its share of Survivalists and Militias, too.
Personally, I attribute it to the thin air. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't that where the weird Mormon types are too? I think the town from Big Love (HBO) was based on CS. |
No, that is Colorado City, which is in AZ, near the UT border.
Wikipedia |
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