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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| twg wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| Do people find that clever? |
No
Just equally as plausible |
One of the main reasons I've never felt drawn towards becoming an atheist (even when I was agnostic and decided to read up on the concept all the time at alt.atheism). For a rational non-religious person, the two concepts should be as follows:
:Spaghetti monster - ridiculous concept without proof
:Existence of a creator of the universe (notice I didn't use the word God) - interesting theory along with quantum physics, parallel universes, alternate dimensions, faster-than-light travel, etc. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not all up on quantum theory, but there seems to be evidence for it.
A creator has none except for the wishes of the believers. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: re: |
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I do not understand why people insist on talking about evidence in the scientific way when it comes to proving God's existence. There is no way to prove God exists, yet I intuitively believe that She does. It's called faith, and faith does not rest on scientific evidence, never will. These conversations are fruitless, though sometimes interesting.
Spirituality and science can exist side by side as long as they stay to their respective fields.
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| It's called faith, and faith does not rest on scientific evidence, never will. |
This is all true. Yet a number of believers seem determined to prove the existence of their deity.
Alternatively, we can call it "delusion". The only difference is that we send people to therapy for it.
When we call it "faith" you get a tax break. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
I do not understand why people insist on talking about evidence in the scientific way when it comes to proving God's existence. There is no way to prove God exists, yet I intuitively believe that She does. It's called faith, and faith does not rest on scientific evidence, never will. These conversations are fruitless, though sometimes interesting.
Spirituality and science can exist side by side as long as they stay to their respective fields.
Peace |
I agree with most of what you just wrote. Still, I think it's OK for us to ask you why you believe in your god/goddess and how you define him/her/it. You should be required to provide a clear answer, not a scientific one. But of course these points have all been made many times before. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
I do not understand why people insist on talking about evidence in the scientific way when it comes to proving God's existence. There is no way to prove God exists, yet I intuitively believe that She does. It's called faith, and faith does not rest on scientific evidence, never will. These conversations are fruitless, though sometimes interesting.
Spirituality and science can exist side by side as long as they stay to their respective fields.
Peace |
I agree with most of what you just wrote. Still, I think it's OK for us to ask you why you believe in your god/goddess and how you define him/her/it. You should be required to provide a clear answer, not a scientific one. But of course these points have all been made many times before. |
Sure, it's ok, and I usually enjoy the discussion. However, those who base their belief in God on faith can only answer to a point, and that point is never satisfying to those with a more scientific view.
Peace |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
I do not understand why people insist on talking about evidence in the scientific way when it comes to proving God's existence. There is no way to prove God exists, yet I intuitively believe that She does. It's called faith, and faith does not rest on scientific evidence, never will. These conversations are fruitless, though sometimes interesting.
Spirituality and science can exist side by side as long as they stay to their respective fields.
Peace |
I agree with most of what you just wrote. Still, I think it's OK for us to ask you why you believe in your god/goddess and how you define him/her/it. You should be required to provide a clear answer, not a scientific one. But of course these points have all been made many times before. |
Sure, it's ok, and I usually enjoy the discussion. However, those who base their belief in God on faith can only answer to a point, and that point is never satisfying to those with a more scientific view.
Peace |
I believe, if you claim God exists you are making a scientific claim. Such claims should be backed up with logic, reason and evidence. If not they are useless and all you have is a feeling or wishful thinking.
Although I do love baby alien Jesus |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Logic and science aren't quite the same thing. Anyway, I don't like the word "supernatural." If ghosts and aliens exist, they're part of nature. If reincarnation occurs, it's part of nature too. 
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
I do not understand why people insist on talking about evidence in the scientific way when it comes to proving God's existence. There is no way to prove God exists, yet I intuitively believe that She does. It's called faith, and faith does not rest on scientific evidence, never will. These conversations are fruitless, though sometimes interesting.
Spirituality and science can exist side by side as long as they stay to their respective fields.
Peace |
I agree with most of what you just wrote. Still, I think it's OK for us to ask you why you believe in your god/goddess and how you define him/her/it. You should be required to provide a clear answer, not a scientific one. But of course these points have all been made many times before. |
Sure, it's ok, and I usually enjoy the discussion. However, those who base their belief in God on faith can only answer to a point, and that point is never satisfying to those with a more scientific view.
Peace |
I believe, if you claim God exists you are making a scientific claim. Such claims should be backed up with logic, reason and evidence. If not they are useless and all you have is a feeling or wishful thinking.
Although I do love baby alien Jesus |
One more reason I'm not an atheist. Demanding scientific evidence for something defined as being beyond the laws of the universe is quite rich.
(Here I'm making the argument for agnosticism, not theism) |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| Do people find that clever? |
No
Just equally as plausible |
In light of this statement I would like to extend an apology to all the 15-year olds out there. |
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