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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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What I find particularly interesting about Spinoza's position is that he claims elsewhere to be agnostic, but on the other hand dismisses "supernatural" claims outright. Of course, that is his right, but I think he ought to call himself something other than agnostic.
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I am an agnostic about the existence of god. I have absolutely no idea whether there is a god or not. I don't understand people who fervently believe and nor do I understand people who fervently disbelieve.
Aliens I definitely believe in, although don't think it's likely we receive visits from them.
However, other things connected with the supernatural I just reject. Ghosts, for instance.....total bull, although I must confess I would not spend a night alone in a haunted house or Blair Witch-style place. It's not hypocritical to take this view either. Even though I'm convinced there are no ghosts, I would be scared stiff if I saw some ghostly activity.
The reason why I don't believe is because I never see any of this stuff. It's always other people that see these things and never me. I once spent a night absolutely out of my mind on magic mushrooms (took far too many) and even then I didn't see anything. I've taken LSD numerous times too and even under the influence of that no supernatural stuff occurred.
I completely reject afterlife. As I've said elsewhere recently, I have evidence that there's no afterlife because I once nearly died. There was nothing there. The view that I would have entered a world of after-death consciousness once I passed the point of no return is preposterous. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Gabriel and Yeshua, my guides, have informed me that there is a current period called the Accelereated Grace Initiative in which Yeshua and his fellow workers will work with humanity to assist in spiritual awakening and bypass some stages (or all stages) of karmic life cycles. Yeshua told me he has chosen me as one of the people on earth through whom to re-communicate this message. The Grace Initiative began with the incarnation of Yeshua as Jesus Christ, but the message was diluted or changed by centuries of scribes after the life of Jesus.
Yeshua has informed me that the years 2008 and 2012 will be hallmarks in the mission of this Grace Initiative, and that a large percentage of humanity will jump from their current spiritual level to a new, higher level during the years between 2008-2012.
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And you learned their names Gabriel and Yeshua and words such as accelereated grace initiative (Sounds kind of like the Dharma Inititive to me, watch too much Lost lately) without the use of language. I'd like to know how this was done. Maybe you had a vision of their spelling. For these to be learned you must have had some form of communication verbally or mental speaking in English. You deny this because this closes the door to further proofs, like you say 2008 and 2012 will be hallmarks. But if they actually could speak then you could then ask for further information, more specific signs about other things as well. But if we put it off as a "they only provide ideas, or won't jump through hoops crap" you can avoid all criticism. You're a liar and your views aren't anything new. People like you have been around for the last 10 years all claiming the same thing on old pages like www.spiritweb.org and other sites. Funny their reincarnations were of the same characters but all different names and their major changes of consciousness have already supposedly taken place and are already taking place. For anyone who believes this clown, you haven't half a brain. Seoul Unitarian you need not respond, you have no place in a logical discussion. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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In my uni days, I encountered a lot of heavenly bodies!  |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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In my uni days, I encountered a lot of heavenly bodies!  |
Evidence? |
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Grimalkin

Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Okay here's my story.
I realise it reads like a rejected draught script for the film "What ever happened to Baby Jane" (for those of you who aren't gay, it's a black and white film with Bette Davis and Joan Crawford) but that can't be helped...it's a true story!
Okay here�s what happened.
When I was nine my father decided to move our family into the countryside. Our nearest neighbours were two elderly sisters. By a curious coincidence (this is not meant to be part of the �supernatural� aspect of the story) their surname was the same as ours, but it is a measure of how close they became to our family that on both sides, we liked to believe that we were distantly related (our surname being rather uncommon in that part of the world) tho� we never found proof of this.
The two sisters were called Edie (the elder) and May but were as unalike as any two sisters I have ever come across both physically and in personality. Edie was slim barely taller than myself, extroverted and energetic, with a mop of snowy white curls, a pink-and-white complexion and merry dark blue eyes. At times tho' she was prone to flashes of temper that were as alarming as they were short-lived. May by contrast was tall, her ash-grey hair pulled back into a hair net, her shoulders hunched with age, shy, slow moving (she used a stick) but with a warmth and patience that was never failing.
Most people took immediately to Edie but over time I suspect May always became the favourite of the two. On the surface they appeared to be devoted to each other and despite what transpired later, I still believe in many ways they were. My sister and I spent almost as much time in their home as in ours and in no time they had become �Auntie� Edie and �Auntie� May.
I once asked May why she never married. She told me that she had once fallen in love, but the man she fell for was engaged to someone else. At sometime I had asked Edie the same question. Her face darkened with anger and she told me that she once was engaged but she found out that his affections had been stolen by another, and so had broken off the engagement. I didn�t connect the two stories at the time.
We had been neighbours for almost two years, when I had the dream that is the one and only experience of precognition I have ever had. I dreamt that I saw May starting down the steps which led from their kitchen to the narrow corridor that bisected their cottage, when with a look of fury Edie came up behind her and pushed her. I awoke instantly, the dream so frightening and vivid it was still before me. The dream had happened early to midweek (I can�t remember exactly which day). Early the following Saturday morning Edie called to our house to say that May had had a small tumble down the steps and had been taken to hospital. We were puzzled as to why Edie hadn�t come to fetch my father when it happened. He was the local doctor and although not May�s GP (she still attended the semi-retired doctor my father had replaced) he was the nearest. Edie explained that May had been adamant that my father not be disturbed. Apparently May was equally adamant that she not have visitors to the hospital, she was embarrassed by the fall and didn�t want a fuss, Edie explained. Reluctantly my parents agreed.
Later, in the evening my father received a call from May�s doctor and with a grim look he went out to meet him at the hospital. When he returned he spoke privately with my mother for a while. My sister and I were then called in and told that May had taken a turn for the worse and on no account were we to call to Edie�s house as she was too upset to be seeing visitors. We never saw either of them again. Within two months my parents had sold the house and we moved again.
Eight years later my mother saw Edie�s death notice in the paper and she told me what had happened. May�s doctor had told my father that May claimed that Edie had pushed her down the steps. The doctor himself had suspected that May was being abused (strange bruises etc) but up till then May had always denied this. It had finally come out, because May was distraught as Edie was refusing to let her return home when she came out of hospital. Apparently the house was in Edie�s name. May�s doctor (who was also Edie�s) believed that Edie was suffering from a progressive dementia due to age and as a result her resentment, because her fiance had fallen in love with May in their youth, was coming to the fore. She was becoming less able to control her hostile impulses towards May. The doctor wanted my father�s help in having her sectioned. Under the mental health act, this required the signatures of two doctors. May never came out of hospital. She died from complications as a result of being immobilized with a broken hip. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
What I find particularly interesting about Spinoza's position is that he claims elsewhere to be agnostic, but on the other hand dismisses "supernatural" claims outright. Of course, that is his right, but I think he ought to call himself something other than agnostic.
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I am an agnostic about the existence of god. I have absolutely no idea whether there is a god or not. I don't understand people who fervently believe and nor do I understand people who fervently disbelieve.
Aliens I definitely believe in, although don't think it's likely we receive visits from them. ... |
I find this interesting. Why do you have a reasonable outlook about the existence of god (which I guess is because you haven't had an experience that would convince you of the existence), but you definitely believe in aliens. Since you write that you 'don't think it's likely we receive visits from them', I'm guessing you haven't had an experience that would convince you of their existence, either. Do you accept the existence aliens on faith? Or are we talking about something other than ET aliens?
And what about alien's gods? Do you believe in them? (Ignore this question; I'm just joking here.) |
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: re: |
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| Hi seoulunitarian. What's your take on the crop circle phenomenon? |
Hi skinhead,
Gabriel has not given me any certain information on crop circles, but my personal opinion is that they are one of the ways extraterrestrial beings are saying, "Hey, we're here." I have seen some pretty convincing videos of "orbs" making crop circles, and the human-made and extraterrestrial-made circles are certainly different in type and quality. I think they must contain some deeper message, but as of yet, I do not know what that message is.
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: re: |
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Yes, to the question.
But I'm not about to subject my experiences and myself to the living dead on this wacked out board.
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Interesting juxtaposition. Those claiming to have transgalactic telepathic communication are not whacked out -- those critical of such things are whacked out.
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| When they communicate with me via telepathy, the communication is in the form of thoughts, not language. I did answer your question - just not clearly enough I suppose. |
I know it gets tiring for you, but why is it that such claims as yours NEVER hold up to scientific examination? My first question about it would be to ask if you've done a test with the beings. For example, ask them a math problem you don't know the answer to, and see if they can solve it. Or since they know so much about Jesus and Buddha, ask a question you don't know the answer to, such as the birth date of one of them, and see what happens.
Those aren't really scientific examinations, just my immediate, logical questions. If your telepathy is really what you say it is, then you should be able to pass some sort of test like that. Likewise, if someone says they have built a machine that can fly in the air, they have to be able to prove it or else everyone is going to continue to believe they are crazy.
Oh hold on, I didn't see this:
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Our extraterrestrial guides are not toys, and they will not be bothered with parlor tricks. If we want to awaken spiritually, our ET guides will help us do that. If we want to perform magic, our guides will find something better to do with their time.
They are here to assist us in our spiritual evolution, not to convince us of their existence. It is our choice to work with them or to refuse to allow for even the slightest possibility they exist. Part of the reason I refuse to even argue beyond a point for their existence is because this is the same attitude they take. |
Well, see, this is exactly the same rigamarole Christians cough up when you ask them why Yahweh doesn't show himself. Why is it that these gods and creator aliens, who supposedly created us and therefore understand our need for evidence, get so bent out of shape when we ask for it? It's completely illogical. Again, logic -- something they must have created. Why don't they follow it?
Here is my opinion on the matter, fwiw (and partially in response to Captain Kirk): the human brain is capable of subjugating its natural functions to an extent that it can cause one to enter into a state so unnatural, so strange, that later examination of the event by our conscious mind, filtered through our biases, knowledge, and past experiences, probably cannot quite explain what happened. In order to reach this state, there is a need for something called faith, which does not mean blind belief, but rather nonexistance of doubt.
Now, this place that we can reach is a wonderful place. Is is sacred to us, peaceful, and even life altering. This is why people who often reach this place are strong proponents of it, because they have seen the benefits of it in their own lives.
The problem, as I see it, begins precisely when a person assumes automatically that what he thinks he experienced is actually what he experienced. For some, their faith relies on this belief, but it is not necessary. We can have faith in our ability to subjugate our hind brain at will (see Joseph Chilton Pearce, The Biology of Transcendence) without believing in external communication.
To sum up what I mean, the unrestrained human brain is awfully powerful, but the conscious mind is limited in so many ways. I'm sure we can agree on this. Therefore, we trick ourselves so blithely.
Also, fwiw, I did experiment with such things with great frequency for a few years, post-apostacism from Christianity. I had a good deal of experiences I felt were significant. However, I have always approached these experiences as objectively as I could, and been hesitant to make hard and fast claims. Remote viewing of yourself and telepathy with a friend aren't necessarily what you think they are.
I don't mean to ridicule you, but at the same time I do not respect your beliefs and conclusions. This type of thinking promoted in this thread is archaic, barbaric, and ignorant. When I hear a thunderstorm, I do not think God is angry, or passing gas. Similarly, when I have a hallucinagenic experience, I don't think aliens are actually talking to me. You must dig deeper. |
I, on the other hand, do respect your opinion and believe it to be quite logical. Sometimes, spiritual experiences simply are not logical, and I am comfortable with that. I do not really even care whether my experiences are purely subjective or not, because to me the experience is by its own nature unprovable. That's I why I really do not get upset when people disagree with me or do not believe me.
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: re: |
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Gabriel and Yeshua, my guides, have informed me that there is a current period called the Accelereated Grace Initiative in which Yeshua and his fellow workers will work with humanity to assist in spiritual awakening and bypass some stages (or all stages) of karmic life cycles. Yeshua told me he has chosen me as one of the people on earth through whom to re-communicate this message. The Grace Initiative began with the incarnation of Yeshua as Jesus Christ, but the message was diluted or changed by centuries of scribes after the life of Jesus.
Yeshua has informed me that the years 2008 and 2012 will be hallmarks in the mission of this Grace Initiative, and that a large percentage of humanity will jump from their current spiritual level to a new, higher level during the years between 2008-2012.
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And you learned their names Gabriel and Yeshua and words such as accelereated grace initiative (Sounds kind of like the Dharma Inititive to me, watch too much Lost lately) without the use of language. I'd like to know how this was done. Maybe you had a vision of their spelling. For these to be learned you must have had some form of communication verbally or mental speaking in English. You deny this because this closes the door to further proofs, like you say 2008 and 2012 will be hallmarks. But if they actually could speak then you could then ask for further information, more specific signs about other things as well. But if we put it off as a "they only provide ideas, or won't jump through hoops crap" you can avoid all criticism. You're a liar and your views aren't anything new. People like you have been around for the last 10 years all claiming the same thing on old pages like www.spiritweb.org and other sites. Funny their reincarnations were of the same characters but all different names and their major changes of consciousness have already supposedly taken place and are already taking place. For anyone who believes this clown, you haven't half a brain. Seoul Unitarian you need not respond, you have no place in a logical discussion. |
I put their thoughts into my own words. They give me impressions or sensations. And based on those impressions, I can ask yes or no questions to eliminate certain things.
People like me have been around alot longer than 10 years~ And periods of consciousness changes have occurred. You were obviously not involved in those; otherwise, you would take a different opinion of the phenomenon.
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Hi seoulunitarian. What's your take on the crop circle phenomenon? |
Hi skinhead,
Gabriel has not given me any certain information on crop circles, but my personal opinion is that they are one of the ways extraterrestrial beings are saying, "Hey, we're here." I have seen some pretty convincing videos of "orbs" making crop circles, and the human-made and extraterrestrial-made circles are certainly different in type and quality. I think they must contain some deeper message, but as of yet, I do not know what that message is.
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Thanks for replying to my question about crop circles, seoulunitarian. The people I've spoken to about them are convinced that humans do them all, and that the very idea of natural or non-human forces acting upon the crops is laughable. I'm still not convinced either way. Do you have any links to videos of BOLs making circles? If it's the Oliver's Castle video, it has already been revealed to be a hoax by its creators. I hope there are others though. I have so many unanswered questions regarding the phenomenon. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Ye I have, it was both exhilerating and creepy looking back on it. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Ok. This isn't supernatural, but it's one hell of a coincidence. I was a part time cab driver in Melbourne sometime ago, and I happened to pick up a young lady who didn't know who her father was. It so happened that for the description she did give about what she did know about her whereabouts, and in particular her father I was able to fill in the pieces to a long lost puzzle about her life. I ascertained that I did know someone who fit the description she gave me, and eventually was able to procure his telephone number. I gave it to her and they were reunited. He knew who she was, and admitted to her that he was the father. Quite a coincidence that I should meet someone like that whom I could help as well. |
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Grimalkin

Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Ye I have, it was both exhilerating and creepy looking back on it. |
care to share?
(altho' I understand if you don't!) |
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Grimalkin

Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Len8 wrote: |
| Ok. This isn't supernatural, but it's one hell of a coincidence. I was a part time cab driver in Melbourne sometime ago, and I happened to pick up a young lady who didn't know who her father was. It so happened that for the description she did give about what she did know about her whereabouts, and in particular her father I was able to fill in the pieces to a long lost puzzle about her life. I ascertained that I did know someone who fit the description she gave me, and eventually was able to procure his telephone number. I gave it to her and they were reunited. He knew who she was, and admitted to her that he was the father. Quite a coincidence that I should meet someone like that whom I could help as well. |
So...do you believe in fate? |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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So what is SU's website? I'm open minded, I'll give chatting to aliens a go.
I'm curious though, why do I need to meditate to speak to my personal Norwegian, why can't I just click my fingers and make them appear? |
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