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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Go to SU's profile, the site is listed there and just click. The meditation, forty minutes, begins with relaxing the body then visualizing descending a hallway, relaxing at each step downwards ten steps. Then another hallway and a golden door. Another hall of many doors and one, golden, attracts you, you open and there's a moonlit forest path, sound of a stream, birds, very comfortable (with your relaxed body and all, ha). There's a clearing up ahead, a stonehenge type circle of standing stones. Can hear music in the distance, flutes. In the sky a star pulsates and approaches, hovers (a UFO) a few meters overhead. You enter it and meet a friendly being. Have a little chat.
It's SU's voice guiding and it's a very interesting experience, soothing with all the relaxation, nature, setting to visualize. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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What I find particularly interesting about Spinoza's position is that he claims elsewhere to be agnostic, but on the other hand dismisses "supernatural" claims outright. Of course, that is his right, but I think he ought to call himself something other than agnostic.
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I am an agnostic about the existence of god. I have absolutely no idea whether there is a god or not. I don't understand people who fervently believe and nor do I understand people who fervently disbelieve.
Aliens I definitely believe in, although don't think it's likely we receive visits from them. ... |
I find this interesting. Why do you have a reasonable outlook about the existence of god (which I guess is because you haven't had an experience that would convince you of the existence), but you definitely believe in aliens. Since you write that you 'don't think it's likely we receive visits from them', I'm guessing you haven't had an experience that would convince you of their existence, either. Do you accept the existence aliens on faith? Or are we talking about something other than ET aliens?
And what about alien's gods? Do you believe in them? (Ignore this question; I'm just joking here.) |
With all due respect, I can�t believe you call this into question.
There being aliens has very high probability. The minute region of the universe we�re intimately aware of has at least one planet (Earth) with intelligent life, so our existence plus the vastness of space ought to suggest that intelligent life is abundant. Likewise, these same aliens visiting our planet has very low probability, given the vast distances in space. Such creatures, in order to visit, would have to travel at speeds beyond our comprehension. We should not rule that out, but just bear in mind that it takes light, the fastest thing, 4.3 years to travel to our nearest star, Proxima Centurai, and 100,000 years to travel across our own galaxy (of which there are billions, possibly an infinity). There are numerous excellent objections to aliens visiting Earth, but lack of alien existence is not one of them. That would be a rubbish argument, I�m sure you agree.
There are billions of stars in galaxies, many of which have planets, and billions of galaxies. I cannot remember precisely how many extra-solar planets we�re aware of, but it�s quite a lot. Stars with families of planets is a very common feature of reality. The likelihood is that there are vast numbers of planets with extraterrestrials inhabiting them. Our own neighbour, Mars, is considered a near-miss for life. Actually, it is believed Mars did have water and basic life, but some cataclysm occurred, making Mars the cold, dead world we know. Had that cataclysm, what ever it was, not happened, maybe we�d have alien neighbours now! Life occurs in the most bizarre, horrible places. Mars is akin to Antarctica with respect to weather. Antarctica has unique, outstanding wildlife.
Not believing in aliens should be punishable by death. It is the FAR more radical view, since if Earth is the only planet that exists with intelligent creatures, that�s mathematically incredible, whereas there being more than one or even very many such planets in such a vast cosmos is mathematically unremarkable. It�s understandable therefore that the same people who suppose Earth is the sole planet in the universe containing life are often the same people who posit radical metaphysical entities like gods, afterlife and other such outrageous twaddle.
One cannot assess the probability of god�s existence using the observed universe and objective concepts like number and size. God is not a numbers game. Aliens � simple numbers game. Even if there are in fact no aliens, the belief that �there are aliens is likely� would still be justified. People who don�t believe in aliens don�t respect space and reality. They disgust me. So do theists � usually the same people. We should rid the Earth of such abomination. |
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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| gypsyfish wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
What I find particularly interesting about Spinoza's position is that he claims elsewhere to be agnostic, but on the other hand dismisses "supernatural" claims outright. Of course, that is his right, but I think he ought to call himself something other than agnostic.
Peace |
I am an agnostic about the existence of god. I have absolutely no idea whether there is a god or not. I don't understand people who fervently believe and nor do I understand people who fervently disbelieve.
Aliens I definitely believe in, although don't think it's likely we receive visits from them. ... |
I find this interesting. Why do you have a reasonable outlook about the existence of god (which I guess is because you haven't had an experience that would convince you of the existence), but you definitely believe in aliens. Since you write that you 'don't think it's likely we receive visits from them', I'm guessing you haven't had an experience that would convince you of their existence, either. Do you accept the existence aliens on faith? Or are we talking about something other than ET aliens?
And what about alien's gods? Do you believe in them? (Ignore this question; I'm just joking here.) |
With all due respect, I can�t believe you call this into question.
There being aliens has very high probability. The minute region of the universe we�re intimately aware of has at least one planet (Earth) with intelligent life, so our existence plus the vastness of space ought to suggest that intelligent life is abundant. Likewise, these same aliens visiting our planet has very low probability, given the vast distances in space. Such creatures, in order to visit, would have to travel at speeds beyond our comprehension. |
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| In 1993, the idea of teleportation moved out of the realm of science fiction and into the world of theoretical possibility. It was then that physicist Charles Bennett and a team of researchers at IBM confirmed that quantum teleportation was possible, but only if the original object being teleported was destroyed. This revelation, first announced by Bennett at an annual meeting of the American Physical Society in March 1993, was followed by a report on his findings in the March 29, 1993 issue of Physical Review Letters. Since that time, experiments using photons have proven that quantum teleportation is in fact possible. |
http://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htm |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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There are over 200 extrasolar planets discovered, but COROT is soon going to increase that number by quite a bit, and with planets that count (ie not hot Jupiters but planets closer to our size):
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=21848
April is when we should start seeing results. Right now it's looking at its first patch of sky and because it's waiting for planets to cross in front of their stars it has to take a long time (150 days I think) to make sure that it'll catch a few before moving on.
NASA's sending up another one next year that'll be even better.
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
What I find particularly interesting about Spinoza's position is that he claims elsewhere to be agnostic, but on the other hand dismisses "supernatural" claims outright. Of course, that is his right, but I think he ought to call himself something other than agnostic.
Peace |
I am an agnostic about the existence of god. I have absolutely no idea whether there is a god or not. I don't understand people who fervently believe and nor do I understand people who fervently disbelieve.
Aliens I definitely believe in, although don't think it's likely we receive visits from them. ... |
I find this interesting. Why do you have a reasonable outlook about the existence of god (which I guess is because you haven't had an experience that would convince you of the existence), but you definitely believe in aliens. Since you write that you 'don't think it's likely we receive visits from them', I'm guessing you haven't had an experience that would convince you of their existence, either. Do you accept the existence aliens on faith? Or are we talking about something other than ET aliens?
And what about alien's gods? Do you believe in them? (Ignore this question; I'm just joking here.) |
With all due respect, I can�t believe you call this into question.
There being aliens has very high probability. The minute region of the universe we�re intimately aware of has at least one planet (Earth) with intelligent life, so our existence plus the vastness of space ought to suggest that intelligent life is abundant. Likewise, these same aliens visiting our planet has very low probability, given the vast distances in space. Such creatures, in order to visit, would have to travel at speeds beyond our comprehension. We should not rule that out, but just bear in mind that it takes light, the fastest thing, 4.3 years to travel to our nearest star, Proxima Centurai, and 100,000 years to travel across our own galaxy (of which there are billions, possibly an infinity). There are numerous excellent objections to aliens visiting Earth, but lack of alien existence is not one of them. That would be a rubbish argument, I�m sure you agree.
There are billions of stars in galaxies, many of which have planets, and billions of galaxies. I cannot remember precisely how many extra-solar planets we�re aware of, but it�s quite a lot. Stars with families of planets is a very common feature of reality. The likelihood is that there are vast numbers of planets with extraterrestrials inhabiting them. Our own neighbour, Mars, is considered a near-miss for life. Actually, it is believed Mars did have water and basic life, but some cataclysm occurred, making Mars the cold, dead world we know. Had that cataclysm, what ever it was, not happened, maybe we�d have alien neighbours now! Life occurs in the most bizarre, horrible places. Mars is akin to Antarctica with respect to weather. Antarctica has unique, outstanding wildlife.
Not believing in aliens should be punishable by death. It is the FAR more radical view, since if Earth is the only planet that exists with intelligent creatures, that�s mathematically incredible, whereas there being more than one or even very many such planets in such a vast cosmos is mathematically unremarkable. It�s understandable therefore that the same people who suppose Earth is the sole planet in the universe containing life are often the same people who posit radical metaphysical entities like gods, afterlife and other such outrageous twaddle.
One cannot assess the probability of god�s existence using the observed universe and objective concepts like number and size. God is not a numbers game. Aliens � simple numbers game. Even if there are in fact no aliens, the belief that �there are aliens is likely� would still be justified. People who don�t believe in aliens don�t respect space and reality. They disgust me. So do theists � usually the same people. We should rid the Earth of such abomination. |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I see it, in a multiverse of infinite possibilities there is a chance we happen to occupy a universe in which we are the sole biological/physical entities who possess consciousness. If every possibilty exists than that possibility must exist somewhere/sometime and perhaps it exists here and now?
Of course this is all purely theoretical. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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I put their thoughts into my own words. They give me impressions or sensations. And based on those impressions, I can ask yes or no questions to eliminate certain things.
People like me have been around alot longer than 10 years~ And periods of consciousness changes have occurred. You were obviously not involved in those; otherwise, you would take a different opinion of the phenomenon.
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The whole alien bit on the internet is relatively new. Spiritualism isn't new obviously, funny how people claim to talk to aliens in the last 10/20 years but before that it was mostly just talking to dead people or other higher spiritual beings. Also, funny how they used to be able to make themselves visible out of wardrobes and such, and walk around a room but can't do that anymore. Don't tell me how you eliminate questions by asking yes and no you moron. You may as well be lying right to my face. I can't honestly believe we have as many gullible people on this board as we do to believe your crap. It is right up there with the most idiotic I've ever heard. Shame on everyone who actually believes you. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: re: |
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I put their thoughts into my own words. They give me impressions or sensations. And based on those impressions, I can ask yes or no questions to eliminate certain things.
People like me have been around alot longer than 10 years~ And periods of consciousness changes have occurred. You were obviously not involved in those; otherwise, you would take a different opinion of the phenomenon.
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The whole alien bit on the internet is relatively new. Spiritualism isn't new obviously, funny how people claim to talk to aliens in the last 10/20 years but before that it was mostly just talking to dead people or other higher spiritual beings. Also, funny how they used to be able to make themselves visible out of wardrobes and such, and walk around a room but can't do that anymore. Don't tell me how you eliminate questions by asking yes and no you moron. You may as well be lying right to my face. I can't honestly believe we have as many gullible people on this board as we do to believe your crap. It is right up there with the most idiotic I've ever heard. Shame on everyone who actually believes you. |
I love you too.
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Hi seoulunitarian. What's your take on the crop circle phenomenon? |
Hi skinhead,
Gabriel has not given me any certain information on crop circles, but my personal opinion is that they are one of the ways extraterrestrial beings are saying, "Hey, we're here." I have seen some pretty convincing videos of "orbs" making crop circles, and the human-made and extraterrestrial-made circles are certainly different in type and quality. I think they must contain some deeper message, but as of yet, I do not know what that message is.
Peace |
Thanks for replying to my question about crop circles, seoulunitarian. The people I've spoken to about them are convinced that humans do them all, and that the very idea of natural or non-human forces acting upon the crops is laughable. I'm still not convinced either way. Do you have any links to videos of BOLs making circles? If it's the Oliver's Castle video, it has already been revealed to be a hoax by its creators. I hope there are others though. I have so many unanswered questions regarding the phenomenon. |
This video does not actually show the orb creating the circle, but it does show the orb "leaving" the circle and flying across the field:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6009948474707432943
Peace |
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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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As far as I see it, in a multiverse of infinite possibilities there is a chance we happen to occupy a universe in which we are the sole biological/physical entities who possess consciousness. If every possibilty exists than that possibility must exist somewhere/sometime and perhaps it exists here and now?
Of course this is all purely theoretical. |
I think the multiverse theory is about as credible as the existence of ghosts (I don't believe in either). |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Grimalkin wrote: |
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As far as I see it, in a multiverse of infinite possibilities there is a chance we happen to occupy a universe in which we are the sole biological/physical entities who possess consciousness. If every possibilty exists than that possibility must exist somewhere/sometime and perhaps it exists here and now?
Of course this is all purely theoretical. |
I think the multiverse theory is about as credible as the existence of ghosts (I don't believe in either). |
I don't believe in it either...it's theoretical...food for thought.
To me the multiverse theory is about as credible as the existence of ghosts or aliens, possibly more so. I know I've personally had more experiences pointing to multiple universes than I have had with ghosts or aliens. I've had experiences related to all of these but the illusory nature of the ghost/alien encounters and they way they seem to be so heavily moulded by cultural myths make me wonder whether they are projections or maybe feedback produced by the mind filtration device rather than actual external entities. The multiverse theory works with the idea of illusion. Illusion is king. |
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merlot
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Location: I tried to contain myself but I escaped.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Yes, to the question.
But I'm not about to subject my experiences and myself to the living dead on this wacked out board.
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Interesting juxtaposition. Those claiming to have transgalactic telepathic communication are not whacked out -- those critical of such things are whacked out. 
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skinhead
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Hi seoulunitarian. What's your take on the crop circle phenomenon? |
Hi skinhead,
Gabriel has not given me any certain information on crop circles, but my personal opinion is that they are one of the ways extraterrestrial beings are saying, "Hey, we're here." I have seen some pretty convincing videos of "orbs" making crop circles, and the human-made and extraterrestrial-made circles are certainly different in type and quality. I think they must contain some deeper message, but as of yet, I do not know what that message is.
Peace |
Thanks for replying to my question about crop circles, seoulunitarian. The people I've spoken to about them are convinced that humans do them all, and that the very idea of natural or non-human forces acting upon the crops is laughable. I'm still not convinced either way. Do you have any links to videos of BOLs making circles? If it's the Oliver's Castle video, it has already been revealed to be a hoax by its creators. I hope there are others though. I have so many unanswered questions regarding the phenomenon. |
This video does not actually show the orb creating the circle, but it does show the orb "leaving" the circle and flying across the field:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6009948474707432943
Peace |
Yes, I have that one on my DVD. It's a good one. That ain't swamp gas combusting. It is often stated that the simplest explanation tends to be the right one, and I'm all for that, but what the hell is it? Balls of light have been seen for centuries all over the inhabited world. They are not plastic shopping bags or chip papers blowing in the wind, they are not machines, they are not photoshopped onto people's eyeballs as they stand there in groups observing the phenomenon (obviously anything on video is prone to suspicion, but most people involved in the crop circle research have experienced the phenomenon first hand). And are they in some way connected to the crop circles - the creation of them? I'm not convinced that they are, since crop circles are a relatively new phenomenon and the BOLs are as old as the hills. Intriguing. |
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