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KumaraKitty



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Are there no laws to protect women here? Reply with quote

Had anyone else read about this?
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200701/200701020020.html
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Stars' Marriage Ends in Tears After 12 Days

Allegations Fly in Star Couple�s Ugly Breakup
Violence at Home Drives Women to Divorce
Another celebrity couple have broken up amid mutual accusations. The actress Lee Min-young says her separation from Lee Chan a mere 12 days after they tied the knot was due to his violent behavior, but the husband denies this.

Lee Min-young�s lawyer Kim Jae-cheol on Monday said Lee Chan hit the actress in the stomach and nose during a quarrel in their car about the makeover of their new home on Dec. 19, two days after they returned from their honeymoon. The actress was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. Lee Min-young stared bleeding in the womb. She saw a doctor next day but miscarried and underwent surgery on Dec. 21, the lawyer said.

The lawyer says the actress sustained multiple injuries including bruises on her left eye. He said she had been beaten by her husband several times before they married, adding he was collecting evidence of habitual violence.


Lee Chan, who is also an actor, in a press release Monday said he and his wife slapped each other on the cheek during an argument. But he said the allegation that he kicked her stomach was "a complete lie."


I'm curious as to why there is no mention of police investigating, or charges being pressed. How was he not arrested as soon as she was checked into the hospital? The whole thing disgusts me, and the fact that the only repercussion so far seems to be a Divorce is mind boggling to say the least!
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gsxr750r



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is not Canada. Or America. Or anyplace else. Men are still more important than women here.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Are there no laws to protect women here? Reply with quote

KumaraKitty wrote:
I'm curious as to why there is no mention of police investigating, or charges being pressed. How was he not arrested as soon as she was checked into the hospital? The whole thing disgusts me, and the fact that the only repercussion so far seems to be a Divorce is mind boggling to say the least!


I don't know if this is still the case or what the limits are on this 'freedom', but Michael Breen in The Koreans said that in Korea it's legal for a man to beat his wife.

Anyone know if this is still the case? To what extent is a man allowed to do this?
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kotakji



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my opinion is that the Korean legal system is set up to maintain stability not to maintain justice. Thus as long as the problem is contained within the household, it is out of the jurisdiction of the police (by custom- I'm sure there are plenty of applicable laws- they simply aren't enforced as long as theres no spillover from the disturbance into the rest of society). From what I've seen judicial decisions revolve around maintaining the status quo rather then actually dispensing justice. (Although the two are not always mutually exclusive goals.)
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rednblack



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kotakji.
I'm pretty much agree. The police are basically useless with regards to domestic disputes. Only once in 7 years have I seen the police take away someone who assaulted their wife. He smashed a glass in her face because she dared to argue with him. I did intervene, with no repercussions from the police...and yes I did hurt him rather badly. The other 10 or is it 20 times, the police talked to an offender, they told the couples to sort it out , and for the man to not hit the woman (joke). My wife, who is korean, told me this is the norm in Korea, but Korean women also do bait K. men for a reaction. A sort of "Ill give you shit, you hit me, and every thing will be all right" Obviously, things are changing, atleast with those who have money.
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its the same ideas that they have about child abuse. Its a family affair, not a public one. It should be handled by the family.

So many things are illegal here that aren't enforced for one reason or another. For example, a few years ago, they made prostiution illegal. Now anyone who has lived here for more than a week, knows its easier to find a prostitute than it is to find good cheese.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Women are not necessarily protected better in the U.S. Why do we have separate domestic violence statutes instead of just assault statutes? Because, the law goes easier on you if it's your wife or child you hurt.

Many, many women in other industrialized countries are brutalized and nothing happens until several complaints have been filed.

And, just for the record, the article mentions that he was "abusive" several times before she married him. So, I have to ask, what kind of treatement did she expect following the vows?
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there no laws to protect women here? Reply with quote

KumaraKitty wrote:
Had anyone else read about this?
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200701/200701020020.html
Quote:
Stars' Marriage Ends in Tears After 12 Days

Allegations Fly in Star Couple�s Ugly Breakup
Violence at Home Drives Women to Divorce
Another celebrity couple have broken up amid mutual accusations. The actress Lee Min-young says her separation from Lee Chan a mere 12 days after they tied the knot was due to his violent behavior, but the husband denies this.

Lee Min-young�s lawyer Kim Jae-cheol on Monday said Lee Chan hit the actress in the stomach and nose during a quarrel in their car about the makeover of their new home on Dec. 19, two days after they returned from their honeymoon. The actress was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. Lee Min-young stared bleeding in the womb. She saw a doctor next day but miscarried and underwent surgery on Dec. 21, the lawyer said.

The lawyer says the actress sustained multiple injuries including bruises on her left eye. He said she had been beaten by her husband several times before they married, adding he was collecting evidence of habitual violence.


Lee Chan, who is also an actor, in a press release Monday said he and his wife slapped each other on the cheek during an argument. But he said the allegation that he kicked her stomach was "a complete lie."


I'm curious as to why there is no mention of police investigating, or charges being pressed. How was he not arrested as soon as she was checked into the hospital? The whole thing disgusts me, and the fact that the only repercussion so far seems to be a Divorce is mind boggling to say the least!


I'm curious as to why you believe the lawyer over the husband? Is it because he's male he's automatically guilty? He MUST be guilty? Maybe he wasn't arrested because there was insufficient proof? Women have been known to self-inflict injuries and then accuse their partner of doing so.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now the sister-in-law of the abused actress is saying that she physically assualted her. I don't think the problem is so much with the law as with people's mindsets. Koreans are just not very good at handling problems in ways that don't involve either deference or force.

Furthermore, men from English speaking countries tend to hate wife-abusers and child-abusers with a passion. If it happens we'd love nothing better than to see the scoundral publically displayed, humiliated, and ostracised. With most Korean men, however, it seems there's nothing they'd want to talk about less.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kat2 wrote:
Now anyone who has lived here for more than a week, knows its easier to find a prostitute than it is to find good cheese.


Decisions, decisions, decisions...
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard an even more brutal story but haven't seen any English articles about it. All I know is what my wife told me.

A guy was abusing his wife and ended up sending her to the hospital. No worries, agree everyone. So the wife goes home, terrified for her life. One time her husband goes into one of his rages, and she locks herself in the room. He tries to bust down the door Shining-style, and she climbs out the window. This leads to her falling to her death. The husband was not punished in the least.

I keep saying, this country needs vigilante justice.
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Zoidberg



Joined: 29 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
I heard an even more brutal story but haven't seen any English articles about it. All I know is what my wife told me.

A guy was abusing his wife and ended up sending her to the hospital. No worries, agree everyone. So the wife goes home, terrified for her life. One time her husband goes into one of his rages, and she locks herself in the room. He tries to bust down the door Shining-style, and she climbs out the window. This leads to her falling to her death. The husband was not punished in the least.

I keep saying, this country needs vigilante justice.


If that happened, vigilante justice is definitely in order. Especially for that guy.
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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoidberg wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
I heard an even more brutal story but haven't seen any English articles about it. All I know is what my wife told me.

A guy was abusing his wife and ended up sending her to the hospital. No worries, agree everyone. So the wife goes home, terrified for her life. One time her husband goes into one of his rages, and she locks herself in the room. He tries to bust down the door Shining-style, and she climbs out the window. This leads to her falling to her death. The husband was not punished in the least.

I keep saying, this country needs vigilante justice.


If that happened, vigilante justice is definitely in order. Especially for that guy.

I second that. I wonder if she had any brothers? Wouldn't they want to kill the guy? It scares me to think what I would do if somebody did that to my sister.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks here aren't as jumpy with regards to domestic violence (to say the least). Obviously it would be better for everyone if this issue were taken more seriously. However, I don't think we need to be as reactionary as folks are back home: arresting him without evidence is a bit excessive.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there no laws to protect women here? Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
I'm curious as to why you believe the lawyer over the husband? Is it because he's male he's automatically guilty? He MUST be guilty? Maybe he wasn't arrested because there was insufficient proof? Women have been known to self-inflict injuries and then accuse their partner of doing so.


Perhaps. Then again, perhaps you are siding with whom you percieve as the more "Korean" of the two Koreans. It is a patriarchal culture, after all.
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