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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Just to pre-empt BB, there's nothing wrong with giving money to the Palestinian Authority per se. |
Actually, I object to them getting any money, when they are clearly a corrupt outfit who are in the pay of puppet masters, and not standing up for those whose interests they claim to represent. The Palestinians have rejected the PA in a fair election (which was immediately and shamefully disregarded by Israel, the US and the EU).
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| I always wondered why some Europeans weren't a little more conditional in their support for Palestine, but from what I hear on American college campuses, its not a purely European phenomenon. |
Myself, I wonder if this is just a feeling of yours.
What kind of conditions do you want put on them? That they quietly give up a bit more of their land and precious water resources? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think BB is a nice person. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Just to pre-empt BB, there's nothing wrong with giving money to the Palestinian Authority per se. |
Actually, I object to them getting any money, when they are clearly a corrupt outfit who are in the pay of puppet masters, and not standing up for those whose interests they claim to represent. The Palestinians have rejected the PA in a fair election (which was immediately and shamefully disregarded by Israel, the US and the EU).
| Kuros wrote: |
| I always wondered why some Europeans weren't a little more conditional in their support for Palestine, but from what I hear on American college campuses, its not a purely European phenomenon. |
Myself, I wonder if this is just a feeling of yours.
What kind of conditions do you want put on them? That they quietly give up a bit more of their land and precious water resources? |
The PA is corrupt, you're right. But Hamas is completely unfit to govern.
I thought that Arafat should not have walked out on the deal that Clinton brokered between him and Ehud Barak. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Just to pre-empt BB, there's nothing wrong with giving money to the Palestinian Authority per se. |
Actually, I object to them getting any money, when they are clearly a corrupt outfit who are in the pay of puppet masters, and not standing up for those whose interests they claim to represent. The Palestinians have rejected the PA in a fair election (which was immediately and shamefully disregarded by Israel, the US and the EU).
| Kuros wrote: |
| I always wondered why some Europeans weren't a little more conditional in their support for Palestine, but from what I hear on American college campuses, its not a purely European phenomenon. |
Myself, I wonder if this is just a feeling of yours.
What kind of conditions do you want put on them? That they quietly give up a bit more of their land and precious water resources? |
The PA is corrupt, you're right. But Hamas is completely unfit to govern.
I thought that Arafat should not have walked out on the deal that Clinton brokered between him and Ehud Barak. |
Kuros, many (including Israelis) believe that it was Barak that walked out.
From Uri Avnery (Israeli journalist and peace activist):
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| The Taba talks came to an end when Barak unilaterally ordered his delegation to break them off. The pretext, this time: elections were too near. |
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In order to hide his catastrophic character weaknesses, Barak invented the historic lie of Arafat's rejectionism, now accepted by almost all Israelis and the world at large. By doing so, he paved the way to the premiership for Sharon and also caused most Israelis to despair of peace.
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In fact, Arafat tried to restart the talks. Barak would have none of it.
Why is Hamas unfit to govern? They have been elected by the majority of Palestinians. Even Christian Palestinians enthusiastically support them. Why? Perhaps there is more to them than simply being 'mindless hatefilled butchers.' What do you really know about Hamas?
Why do we allow Sein Fein (the political arm of the IRA) to participate in democracy, and not Hamas? Hamas have been no more violent than successive Israeli governments, and killed a lot less civillians than said governments. They also showed a willingness to reject violence (they held a 9 month ceasefire) and try jaw-jaw instead of war-war. Instead (with the encouragement of the US) the Israeli response was war-war. What a tragic waste of an opportunity. Perhaps Hamas could have evolved (as the PLO did) and become part of the political process...eventually eschewing terrorism. |
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