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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: On the Exxon payroll? Reply with quote

I think the huge push recently to decry global warming make no sense whatsoever, so why are certain people pushing so hard? Got to be economic, no?

Hmmm....
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Huge push"? What huge push? Me? You old fool. I'm on the "exxon payroll"?

Why do you have such a strong need to silence any dissent?
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This paper from the Union of Concerned Scientists is worth taking a look at:

Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco�s Tactics to Manufacture Uncertainty on Climate Science
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Julius



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it up BJWD you're looking sillier every post.
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sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The huge push is from the "sky is falling" crowd. The population explosion that I was force fed in sociology classes at Uni has turned into a growing global baby bust.

The aging baby boomers are desperate to relive their youth, and save the world one more time. That's why Al Gore was just on the Grammy's with Queen Latifah the other night spreading his cherry-picked propaganda.

It's actually quite amusing to watch.

By the way, when I was at uni I was a died in the wool sky is falling environmental doomsday preacher. My friends and I at one point were so depressed about it all that we all fully believed the world was irreparably damaged, and there was no hope of things turning around.

I feel sorry for the millions of young people today that have been molded to feel more or less the same.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman, show me one, just one, serious scientist or individual who says anything akin to what you have said here. Show me the quotes where anyone of any seriousness whatsoever has stated that the problems of global climate change can't be dealt with and we should all just give up. Just one.

Seriously, get your commentary from somewhere other than Romper Room.

I could care less if you disagree. But let's see if you can do so without claiming it's a leftist rant, all smoke and mirrors, etc. When YOU can admit it's an honest debate, maybe you'd be worth listening to. Problem is, all you right wing whack jobs get on here and spout about the leftist this, the leftist that. It's sheer stupidity to paint this as a political point of view rather than a legitimate global concern.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
sundubuman, show me one, just one, serious scientist or individual who says anything akin to what you have said here. Show me the quotes where anyone of any seriousness whatsoever has stated that the problems of global climate change can't be dealt with and we should all just give up. Just one.

Seriously, get your commentary from somewhere other than Romper Room.

I could care less if you disagree. But let's see if you can do so without claiming it's a leftist rant, all smoke and mirrors, etc. When YOU can admit it's an honest debate, maybe you'd be worth listening to. Problem is, all you right wing whack jobs get on here and spout about the leftist this, the leftist that. It's sheer stupidity to paint this as a political point of view rather than a legitimate global concern.


http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=78604
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sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have listened to a dozen interviews and read a couple of dozen papers on the subject and have posted links to these on this forum many times in the past.

I believe the current pushback is not from the oil industry, but from the community of concerned scientists who are frightened by politically motivated government and NGO actors trying to hijack science for their own political/cultural/economic ends.

read the opinions of those in the link above, and then tell me how YOU can still hold to your romper room theories dude.
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