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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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I'm involved with the music business and I'm routinely downloading and uploading enourmous files of copyrighted material provided to me by the artist or record company. How the heck will they know the permission status of my files?
Sounds to me like this is like trying to intercept every cell phone call.. they'll be so swamped with data that they'll never be able to procss it all.
Since when does Korean care about intellectual property law? That's the amazing thing about all this! |
Look, if you knew something about how the RIAA and the MPAA go about catching people, it would greatly benefit both this discussion and you personally, as it pertains to your being or not being scooped up in their snares. You download your work-related content through Torrent networks? If you are legit, what's the concern? If it's part of your job to recieve these files, yet they are telling you to get them from Torrent networks, your employer needs to come up with a content delivery system that won't potentially get their employees in trouble or in a situation where they come under legal scrutiny for condoned actions.
Once again, it wasn't a Korean company. An American company contacted KT (the ISP) with a cease and desist notice with my IP on it.
The RIAA/MPAA hire companies to distribute fake trackers on the torrent networks. These are no too hard to find, but they are fairly well disguised. These companies record the IP addresses of people connecting to that tracker and send lists off to ISPs around the world (apparently).
There are a number of problems for the RIAA and MPAA in this situation, not the least of which that they never allow one to recieve a complete file; the downloads always freeze at around 97% and never finish. This is because first, they don't want you to get the file and second, more accurately, there is no file, as it were. It's a fake; a dummy and not the file you thought it was.
This is an issue for them and a small blessing for you in that you were never in possesion of said file. In court, this is proving to be a sticking point for the cases to proceed; the courts are having difficulty prosecuting people who never really had the goods. I'm sure the burden of proof will rest on the defendants, as it is clear what was going on when they connected to that tracker. However, the fact is that they never were in possesion of the complete file.
Legalese.
My point in this was not to scare people, but to make them aware of what can happen, even on this software pirate's ship called Korea. |
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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've received 2 post it notes on my door within the last week. The first said "Call me" in Korean. The second one said "KT - Call me"
I found this same post it note on several other doors in the hallway of my officetel. I'll assume they are trying to contact me about this same subject |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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I use Limewire for most of the downloads, I don't know anything about Torrent. I wasn't sure if your suggesting that the IP's are monitoring specific programs or just download/upload activities.
If I talk to the artist and they say go download this so you can use it for a remix, etc. The IPs don't know that the file is "illegal" or not. Even if you were on Torrent and talked to the copyright owner over the phone, it seems hard to prove that the file is illegal.
As far as the RIAA, you are right about those dummy files. There are also digital signature in some artist music (usually really big names) that are embedded in actual, live files, so if those "signatures" are recognized by some sort of sniffer program, then it's possible for the RIAA to catch people. The same "embed" technology is what's assisting Viacom and YouTube/Google in identifying copyrighted work posted on those sights.
I just had an instance last week where a comedian friend of mine posted a YouTube video from one of his DVDs on YouTube and they ended up deleting the file, even though he's the copyright holder. He tried to contact YouTube and finally got the clips reposted, but they were initially removed because ViaCom (owner of Comedy central) objected, thinking they were in violation. The digital "signature" is what led to the automatic deletion of the video. He had to raise some hell (he's a rather big name) and finally was successful. But that's a case of the copyright owner giving the OK, then some outside company just assumed it was their material.
The way I see it is that Korea is welcome to try and restrict whatever they want, but I don't see Korea as being able to enforce any intellectual property laws, especially online. I can't see them prosecuting. As you mentioned it was a cease and desist from an outside company. I have a strong feeling that the Korean courts won't recognize... especially if Koreans start getting caught in the net. Afterall the MPAA can't get the bootleggers of the city sidewalks when they are in plain sight.. and the MPAA is far more agressive against pirates that the RIAA.
Good thread.. keep us posted on the situation.. Thanks. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| They called (the internet is in my wife's name; they didn't know a foreigner was doing the downloading) and asked us politely to not engage in that kind of activity anymore. |
Can I assume the call was in Korean (because they didn't know a foreigner lived there)?
I only ask because I got a call (in Korean) from what I assume to be KT. At least that's what it sounded like to me. And when they didn't speak English to me, I hung up on them.
All very strange in any case as I don't use KT for my internet. I use Hanaro. |
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Cerebroden
Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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so you don't know who called you, cuz they didn't speak english and you're not worried it oculdn't have actually been your real ISP?
so all of you actually pay for your own internet and its in your own name?
My landlord set all of that up for me and I don't have a land line so they would have to subpeona records just to contact me. I'm not too worried |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Cerebroden wrote: |
so you don't know who called you, cuz they didn't speak english and you're not worried it oculdn't have actually been your real ISP?
so all of you actually pay for your own internet and its in your own name?
My landlord set all of that up for me and I don't have a land line so they would have to subpeona records just to contact me. I'm not too worried |
Wow. I wish I had someone doing that for me too. Oh well...growing up is like that. People stop leading you by the hand.
I think your post should have gone more like this:
"I didn't set up my own internet because I can't. I don't have a land line because I can't do it alone and my boss hasn't bought me a telephone yet."
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Cerebroden
Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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you're right, I guess I left out the part about me being smart enough to CHOOSE an apartment that was already wired with DSL.
You see how I actually asked a question about the situation and you just spouted off an assinine remark that was blatantly ignorant. That's because its quite possible that my situation is just a tad bit different than yours.
But hey I don't wanna grow up. I'm a toys R us kid. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Cerebroden wrote: |
| you're right, I guess I left out the part about me being smart enough to CHOOSE an apartment that was already wired with DSL. |
Like throwing a stone in a lake, hoping to hit water. Welcome to Korea.
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| You see how I actually asked a question about the situation and you just spouted off an assinine remark that was blatantly ignorant. That's because its quite possible that my situation is just a tad bit different than yours. |
I thought your question was rhetorical; a vehicle to mention your truly unique situation.
| Cerebroden wrote: |
| But hey I don't wanna grow up. I'm a toys R us kid. |
I think you are a "Toys-R-Theirs" kid. |
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Cerebroden
Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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no it was an honest question.
And considering the U.S. government pays for my housing I'd say I do have somewhat of a unique situation.
And the toys might just be theirs, but I get to play with them all I want and I don't have to share |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Cerebroden wrote: |
| And considering the U.S. government pays for my housing I'd say I do have somewhat of a unique situation. |
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Cerebroden
Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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rent =2.1 million per month housin allowance=300k
next? |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Cerebroden wrote: |
| rent =2.1 million per month |
2.1 Million? Where the heck are YOU living? UN Village? |
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mytime
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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With the help of my korean friend i joined popage.co.kr (her info, my money) for 11000won a month for unlimited downloads
It takes about 20 min to download a movie and I doubt I will ever get a call from KT
Every Korean I know are a member of one of these Korean paysites or they use their friends' id's
I sat next to my friend when she signed up and she gave her real name, id number, phone number and address....so I guess its safe for Koreans to use those sites
I think that's our best and safest option too |
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Svetlana
Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Has anyone stopped to think that KT simply does not want people using so much bandwidth by downloading torrent files 24/7??? |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mytime wrote: |
| I sat next to my friend when she signed up and she gave her real name, id number, phone number and address....so I guess its safe for Koreans to use those sites I think that's our best and safest option too |
I don't think it is safe. Once the Korean entertainment industry decides to take action in Korea they will go after those people. around the same time the RIAA and MPAA will probably get access to the same information.
In my opinion Koreans don't even consider online security or privacy an issue and give thier information without thinking. This is a mistake and will come back to haunt them. If not now, within a few years. |
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