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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: Is Religion to Blame? |
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Who would blame religion for this heinous crime?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/262503,CST-NWS-threedead18.article
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Karolin Khooshabeh worked hard to bring her stepsister's family from Iran to Chicago, filling out paperwork and giving them money so they could start a new life.
Her stepsister Karmin Khooshabeh, along with Karmin's husband and teenage daughter, arrived about three months ago and settled in a West Rogers Park apartment that Karolin had rented for them next to her family.
On Saturday, the sisters, according to relatives, were among the three beaten to death in a bizarre triple homicide that Chicago Police said apparently began as a family dispute. The third woman slain was believed to be Karolin's 60-year-old mother, who lived with her in their apartment at 2635 W. Arthur.
A man identified by authorities as Karmin's 56-year-old husband was being detained by police but hadn't been charged by late Saturday. Police, though, described him as the "offender." |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Not really. It isn't religion per se. I remember watching something about a Syrian Christian labourer in Lebanon beat his wife to deat in Lebanon. It was tragic. It happens too often in Latin America as well.
The problem is the society doesn't yet highlight abuses against children and women. There was a conference about child abuse in Jordan some years back, so there is a fight against violence. Some of the people feel if a woman goes against the will of the husband, his honour is violated.
Of course, that is very lame, but that is what is at play. Things like this could have been among Persians when they were Zoroastrians or Muslims. They were not exactly progressive in ancient times either.
The Muslim world does have a very bad record when it comes to highlighting the human rights situation for women. Iran is quite bad.
I remember some woman who set herself on fire, because she didn't like the human rights situation there. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Not really. It isn't religion per se. |
I figured I'd give a chance to all those who like to denounce any crime by a Muslim as an Islam-inspired crime to maintain a consistent position. That doesn't apply to you, BTW. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I thought you went to grad school?
The people who this is directed at (me?) only repeat what the muslims themselves say.
So, to refresh. Muslim walks into LAX and starts killing jews for allah at El Al. Religious motivation. Direct from the Koran.
Then, some crazy guy walks into a mall in SLC, and kills people cause he is crazy. No connection to islam.
The problem, here, the real problem, is poeple who refuse to accept that islam commands muslims to kill infidels. It is in the koran. Hundreds upon hundreds of millions of muslims believe the koran to be 100% true. Don't be surprised when they act as such.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDxM9oHLp3k
In song. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| I thought you went to grad school? |
Who, me?
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| Then, some crazy guy walks into a mall in SLC, and kills people cause he is crazy. No connection to islam. |
From the SLC thread (http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=78578)
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| chucke wrote: |
| Yeah, Islam is religion of peace and love. |
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| And to not consider his religion when his co-religionists have been blowing op tens of thousands of people around the world in similar mass murders would be to suffer from some severe ostrichitis. |
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| The problem, here, the real problem, is poeple who refuse to accept that islam commands muslims to kill infidels. It is in the koran. |
None of the Muslims I lived with tried to kill me. Unless my host father was trying to drink me to death. Which could be a real possibility. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
The problem, here, the real problem, is poeple who refuse to accept that islam commands muslims to kill infidels. It is in the koran. Hundreds upon hundreds of millions of muslims believe the koran to be 100% true. Don't be surprised when they act as such. |
That's funny.
The old testament commands a lot of people to kill.
Why aren't we seeing Jews or the Protestants who memorize psalms going on rampages? |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
The problem, here, the real problem, is poeple who refuse to accept that islam commands muslims to kill infidels. It is in the koran. Hundreds upon hundreds of millions of muslims believe the koran to be 100% true. Don't be surprised when they act as such. |
That's funny.
The old testament commands a lot of people to kill.
Why aren't we seeing Jews or the Protestants who memorize psalms going on rampages? |
Baruch Goldstein
Ami Popper
eden natan zada ( i was right nearby when that happened, had fucking police cars parked outside my hostel cause they coudln't get any closer).
Eric Rudolph
many of those in South Africa's apartheid government were devout christians
house of god, the kahaan movement. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
The problem, here, the real problem, is poeple who refuse to accept that islam commands muslims to kill infidels. It is in the koran. Hundreds upon hundreds of millions of muslims believe the koran to be 100% true. Don't be surprised when they act as such. |
That's funny.
The old testament commands a lot of people to kill.
Why aren't we seeing Jews or the Protestants who memorize psalms going on rampages? |
I would imagine that many of the soldiers/contractors in Iraq are Christian or at least come from families that professed some form of Christianity in the past. Not saying there aren't other religions involved too, just giving an example. Can you say Falujah? I knew that you could.
Ask the Irish about Protestants or Catholics going on rampages..
My point is that the reason we are seeing "Muslims" as the potential crazies these days is because it is convenient for those promoting the
"war on terror" to make sure we all see this. |
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