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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: Deserter film offers glimpse of a life in N.Korea |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070216/film_nm/berlin_film_northkorea_dc - video link
James Joseph Dresnok was a hulking 21-year old U.S. army private stationed in South Korea in 1962 when he bolted across the demilitarized zone, through a minefield, and into enemy territory in the communist North.
More than four decades later, a new film from British director Daniel Gordon tells the unlikely story of Dresnok's life as an American deserter in Kim Jong-Il's reclusive Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Based on extensive interviews with Dresnok and rare footage taken in his adopted hometown of Pyongyang, "Crossing the Line" also provides a glimpse into life in the secretive country President Bush included in his "axis of evil."
Gordon won the trust of the North Korean authorities while making two previous films there and was granted unprecedented freedom to document a little-known chapter of Cold War history.
He said that he did not feel in way restricted in what he could film, but the film does steer clear of making any overt judgements about life in North Korea.
"You would think the government would insist on it being perfect, but they understood that people have to see something resembling the truth," Gordon told Reuters at the Berlin Film Festival, where the film was screened on the "great leader" Kim's 65th birthday.
Dresnok grew up as an orphan in Virginia, abandoned by his parents during a tumultuous childhood he describes in the film as "living hell."
He dropped out of high school, signed up to join the Army on his 17th birthday and was sent off to Germany, but returned two years later to find his young wife had abandoned him.
Desperate, he re-enlisted and was shipped off to South Korea in May 1962, where he soon ran foul of his commanding officer by slinking off patrol duty to visit local prostitutes.
Threatened with a court martial, Dresnok describes how he crossed into North Korean territory one day, walked briskly through a minefield, and into a new life. He was one of four U.S. military men to desert in this way in an 18-month span.
"I was fed up with my childhood, my marriage, my military life," he says in the film. "I was finished. There was only one place to go."
Dresnok and his three fellow defectors lived in relative isolation for years before becoming stars of North Korean cinema by depicting evil Americans in propaganda movies promoted by the young Kim Jong-Il.
Two of the Americans died in North Korea from health-related problems while a third, Charles Robert Jenkins, left the communist state in 2004 and is now living in Japan.
The film touches on the strained relationship between Jenkins and Dresnok. After leaving North Korea, Jenkins accused his fellow American of beating him under orders from the country's authorities -- allegations Dresnok vehemently denies.
Unlike Jenkins, who denounced the North Korean government after his departure, Dresnok says he has no regrets about opting for a life in the stridently anti-American country, where he has three children from two marriages.
The film shows some tough aspects of his life in Pyongyang, such as his tiny apartment, water shortages that force his son to wash himself with a tiny bowl, and electricity outages that come in the middle of filming.
Fluent in Korean, he is shown fishing, joking and sharing drinks with other men in the capital in one scene.
Gordon's other films include "The Game of Their Lives," which tells the story of seven surviving members of North Korea's 1966 World Cup soccer team, and "A State of Mind," a documentary about two gymnasts training for the 2003 Pyongyang mass games. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I'll watch this if it ever hits the net, but from the interview I saw with Dresnok - he seems like a goof. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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It would be more interesting if it wasn't from the perspective of a mouth-breather. This guy should have been aborted. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Unlike Jenkins, who denounced the North Korean government after his departure, Dresnok says he has no regrets about opting for a life in the stridently anti-American country, where he has three children from two marriages. |
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The film shows some tough aspects of his life in Pyongyang, such as his tiny apartment, water shortages that force his son to wash himself with a tiny bowl, and electricity outages that come in the middle of filming. |
That's a curve ball to the North Korea haters isn't it Captain?
It is an example of where the "he's been brainwashed" argument simply cannot be applied - in the face of someone who can offer both a reasoned critique and considered approval for the DPRK. |
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Gamecock

Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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The film shows some tough aspects of his life in Pyongyang, such as his tiny apartment, water shortages that force his son to wash himself with a tiny bowl, and electricity outages that come in the middle of filming.
That's a curve ball to the North Korea haters isn't it Captain?
It is an example of where the "he's been brainwashed" argument simply cannot be applied - in the face of someone who can offer both a reasoned critique and considered approval for the DPRK. |
Showing that Dresnok has suffered some tough aspects of life in Pyongyang and is still happy in North Korea isn't really that big of a curve ball. As I recall from the 60 minutes story on him, he deserted in 1962. That was a LONG time ago and he has had no contact with the outside world since. Many parts of rural America suffered the same sort of inconveniences in 1962. My grandfather's house still employed an outhouse. So it's a bit different from someone defecting today and suffering from the lack of modern conveniences.
It's very hard to argue that anyone who has lived for an extensive amount of time hasn't been "brainwashed." There is daily propoganda piped into homes, on the streets, in the schools. Heck, I think most people in the American Christian south have been brainwashed to an extent. And that is nothing compared to what happens in North Korea.
It seems apparent that Dresnok was an unstable young man when he defected. He didn't go to North Korea because it was attractive. Rather, because it was the ONLY out of his personal situation. When the NOrth didn't kill him on the spot, as he expected, that certainly had psychological ramifications in terms of feelings of indebtedness. He is even quoted as saying that during the famine a decade ago when millions starved, the government kept feeding him, and he couldn't understand why. Then, they made him a movie star. Suddenly, an uneducated young man who saw no hope of a bright future in the west is suddenly a celebrity. Everywhere he goes people know him. This is a status he could never have attained in the USA (and a status that almost No North Koreans enjoy). It seems quite feasible that he really has enjoyed his life in North Korea without being crazy. Is his testimony an argument in North Korea's favor? Hardly. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
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Unlike Jenkins, who denounced the North Korean government after his departure, Dresnok says he has no regrets about opting for a life in the stridently anti-American country, where he has three children from two marriages. |
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The film shows some tough aspects of his life in Pyongyang, such as his tiny apartment, water shortages that force his son to wash himself with a tiny bowl, and electricity outages that come in the middle of filming. |
That's a curve ball to the North Korea haters isn't it Captain?
It is an example of where the "he's been brainwashed" argument simply cannot be applied - in the face of someone who can offer both a reasoned critique and considered approval for the DPRK. |
Have you ever seen the show Heroes? I think it's the same thing here. This guy knows that he'd have been an absolute nobody back in the states. In fact he was facing a court marshal.
In the DPRK he's a frakkin' movie star, was given a fairly pretty wife, and has a son who's the envy of his peers.
He could have been pumping your gas. |
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J.B. Clamence

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Deserter film offers glimpse of a life in N.Korea |
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the "great leader" Kim's 65th birthday. |
The reporter made an error here. His father was "the great leader." |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Deserter film offers glimpse of a life in N.Korea |
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J.B. Clamence wrote: |
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the "great leader" Kim's 65th birthday. |
The reporter made an error here. His father was "the great leader." |
How about "the great dumbass," or "the great lardbucket?"  |
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Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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jdog2050 wrote: |
Have you ever seen the show Heroes? I think it's the same thing here. This guy knows that he'd have been an absolute nobody back in the states. |
It's the same for English teachers who actually want to stay here for good. Not a nobody back home but can do okay here. |
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Chaz_Bangalang

Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I wonder how many English teachers have ended up staying here for good or GI�s or any other foreigners in various professions. And I bet they all did because they were terrified of turning into �nobodies� once they got back. Has anybody here had that feeling? I wonder how that feels? Slowly turning into a �nobody� as the plane gets closer and closer to your homeland. It�s probably not that bad though, you could slip through customs pretty easy, as nobody would notice you because you are a �nobody�, you could rob a bank and nobody would be bothered because you�re just a �nobody�, nobody is going to care, you could get away with murder. But I guess it could get lonely after a while, you could try to find some other �nobodies� but they won�t notice you because you are a �nobody� and how could you notice them, they are just �nobodies�, there�s nobody there. Better to stay in Korea where the people throw flowers at your feet in the streets, where you�re mobbed by paparazzi and adoring school girls desperate to get your attention. Red carpet treatment at hotels and restaurants, vip rooms, chauffer driven cars, streets paved with gold�..
And what about Dresnok? What a loser! The guy was an orphan, abandoned by his folks, his childhood was a living hell, and when he grew up his wife abandoned him too! I guess he had become a true �nobody�. I wish he was pumping my gas, it makes me so angry to think that maybe something good might have happened in his life. Gas pumpers are such losers. By the way, I�m not, I mean I�m not a loser or a �nobody�, I�m somebody, I�m pretty special actually. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Chaz_Bangalang wrote: |
Yes, I wonder how many English teachers have ended up staying here for good or GI�s or any other foreigners in various professions. And I bet they all did because they were terrified of turning into �nobodies� once they got back. Has anybody here had that feeling? I wonder how that feels? Slowly turning into a �nobody� as the plane gets closer and closer to your homeland. It�s probably not that bad though, you could slip through customs pretty easy, as nobody would notice you because you are a �nobody�, you could rob a bank and nobody would be bothered because you�re just a �nobody�, nobody is going to care, you could get away with murder. But I guess it could get lonely after a while, you could try to find some other �nobodies� but they won�t notice you because you are a �nobody� and how could you notice them, they are just �nobodies�, there�s nobody there. Better to stay in Korea where the people throw flowers at your feet in the streets, where you�re mobbed by paparazzi and adoring school girls desperate to get your attention. Red carpet treatment at hotels and restaurants, vip rooms, chauffer driven cars, streets paved with gold�..
And what about Dresnok? What a loser! The guy was an orphan, abandoned by his folks, his childhood was a living hell, and when he grew up his wife abandoned him too! I guess he had become a true �nobody�. I wish he was pumping my gas, it makes me so angry to think that maybe something good might have happened in his life. Gas pumpers are such losers. By the way, I�m not, I mean I�m not a loser or a �nobody�, I�m somebody, I�m pretty special actually. |
haha your post made me lol. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Chaz_Bangalang wrote: |
By the way, I�m not, I mean I�m not a loser or a �nobody�, I�m somebody, I�m pretty special actually. |
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