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dam_on
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: openly apparently-not-legal ad on Daves...why allow it? |
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I know Dave's is a business and all...and they just wanna get paid...but shouldn't someone be screening the 20 or so ads they post on a daily basis for things like this:
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* the salary : 2.1~2.3 million.+ 300,000 won housing fee.
* Housing : well furnished single studio ( gas, air-conditioner, closet, washing machine, refrigerator, bed)
* severance pay: after one-year contract, 100 % of the salary is paid.
* airfare : 800,000 won each. ( before and after one year contract)
but, if you stay here in Korea, 300,000 won for visa run.
* No Korean pension.
* No medical insurance : but, before seeing a doctor, let the director know, 50 % of the medical fee is paid.
* 3.3% national tax of the salary is deducted. |
*figured I would change the title so as not to put direct blame on anyone 
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: openly illegal ad on Daves...why allow it? |
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| dam_on wrote: |
I know Dave's is a business and all...and they just wanna get paid...but shouldn't someone be screening the 20 or so ads they post on a daily basis for things like this:
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* the salary : 2.1~2.3 million.+ 300,000 won housing fee.
* Housing : well furnished single studio ( gas, air-conditioner, closet, washing machine, refrigerator, bed)
* severance pay: after one-year contract, 100 % of the salary is paid.
* airfare : 800,000 won each. ( before and after one year contract)
but, if you stay here in Korea, 300,000 won for visa run.
* No Korean pension.
* No medical insurance : but, before seeing a doctor, let the director know, 50 % of the medical fee is paid.
* 3.3% national tax of the salary is deducted. |
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No, it is up to you as a prospective employee to check a job out well before you accept it.
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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| There's a loophole where schools don't have to pay pension or medical insurance. CDI got a complaint about that awhile ago, but they showed that it was legal...I'm not sure how, though. |
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JoelCosmeJr
Joined: 01 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| My contract states I get pension and medical, then director changed (cancelled insurance and pension without informing any of the teachers) to just charging us 3.3% tax and to give him the bill for our medical and he will pay half. Where can I find that ad? |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| There's a loophole where schools don't have to pay pension or medical insurance. CDI got a complaint about that awhile ago, but they showed that it was legal...I'm not sure how, though. |
Medical is mandatory, no exceptions, been that way for over a year. New law made it mandatory, from the beginning of 2006.
Pension, depends on number of employees at the school, less than 5(?) is cause for exemption. |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| JoelCosmeJr wrote: |
| My contract states I get pension and medical, then director changed (cancelled insurance and pension without informing any of the teachers) to just charging us 3.3% tax and to give him the bill for our medical and he will pay half. Where can I find that ad? |
Want your pension back? Complain to the pension office, they will rip your boss up one side and down the other. Probably get fired though  |
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PaperTiger
Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: Ulaanbataar
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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That would be because Dave doesn't give a rip about whether or not a noobie gets involved in some public school fraud or simply deprived of the basic perks of employment as specified by Korean law. Either way he gets his money.
The only time someone gets in trouble for posting something illegal or libellous is if a teacher is the perp...otherwise little details like the well-being of THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC ON THIS BOARD are of little concern to him or his lackeys...hence the frequent postings of job offers of that nature.
It wouldn't kill the guy to at least make the appearance of caring every once in a while. Hell, it might even be good for business. This industry could use a little integrity. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| inkoreaforgood wrote: |
| huck wrote: |
| There's a loophole where schools don't have to pay pension or medical insurance. CDI got a complaint about that awhile ago, but they showed that it was legal...I'm not sure how, though. |
Medical is mandatory, no exceptions, been that way for over a year. New law made it mandatory, from the beginning of 2006.
Pension, depends on number of employees at the school, less than 5(?) is cause for exemption. |
Pension is also mandatory for E2 visa holders. The number of employees doesn't matter one lick. Can't have health without pension.
I'm pretty sure an employer can charge you 3.3% tax if he feels like it. It may be too much, but you can file a tax return. You just have to make sure he's paying the taxes and get your tax receipts before tax time. Other than that, you can convince him to deduct according to the average withholding rate. The tax department would probably convince him to do this, too.
I pay the lowest possible on my taxes. He doesn't even take out the residence tax. I'm paying pension and health and I've double checked those with a phone call. I think he may not be my income taxes though. Kind of weird how he could get away with that while paying the other two. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| PaperTiger wrote: |
That would be because Dave doesn't give a rip about whether or not a noobie gets involved in some public school fraud or simply deprived of the basic perks of employment as specified by Korean law. Either way he gets his money.
The only time someone gets in trouble for posting something illegal or libellous is if a teacher is the perp...otherwise little details like the well-being of THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC ON THIS BOARD are of little concern to him or his lackeys...hence the frequent postings of job offers of that nature.
It wouldn't kill the guy to at least make the appearance of caring every once in a while. Hell, it might even be good for business. This industry could use a little integrity. |
Dave is not your daddy. And this board exists to serve the function of making the newbies aware of rip-offs. What is it with the people here who expect their hand to be held every step of the way?
Do your own homework first. Ask questions and check out the place throughly. Ask to see a sample contract and check it against the "good" ones here on this board and other places. |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| If Dave get a little $$ for a piece of sh!t add. Go for him. If someone accepts the job...they're plain stupid and get what they deserve. |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| If Dave get a little $$ for a piece of *beep* add. Go(od) for him. If someone accepts the job...they're plain stupid and get what they deserve. |
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PaperTiger
Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: Ulaanbataar
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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That would be because Dave doesn't give a rip about whether or not a noobie gets involved in some public school fraud or simply deprived of the basic perks of employment as specified by Korean law. Either way he gets his money.
The only time someone gets in trouble for posting something illegal or libellous is if a teacher is the perp...otherwise little details like the well-being of THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC ON THIS BOARD are of little concern to him or his lackeys...hence the frequent postings of job offers of that nature.
It wouldn't kill the guy to at least make the appearance of caring every once in a while. Hell, it might even be good for business. This industry could use a little integrity. |
Dave is not your daddy. And this board exists to serve the function of making the newbies aware of rip-offs. What is it with the people here who expect their hand to be held every step of the way?
Do your own homework first. Ask questions and check out the place throughly. Ask to see a sample contract and check it against the "good" ones here on this board and other places. |
Nice attitude. I guess people who don't know the ins and outs of every form of fraud and misrepresentation here in Korea just deserve to be ripped off and have crappy experiences. I guess next you'll tell us that drunk girls that fall asleep in taxis deserve to be raped and screwing people over to make a buck is a moral imperative. I feel sorry for anyone that let's their guard down around YOU.
Considering the number of things that are considered "blatantly wrong" according to the TOS and this kind of moral and professional high horse Dave wants to sit astride in regard to what teachers can or can't say on this board, it seems to me that the same high standards ought to apply to employers that don't even attempt to hide their illegal activities.
Way to be so jaded and snide...are you Dave's accountant or his lawyer? Hey I know, maybe you're one of jerks that makes money off of the misery of newbies...are you a recruiter UM? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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The hakwon industry is not regulated by the Korean government. It is not up to Dave to fill in for them and enforce the various laws or lobby for laws to be passed.
Complaints about employment violations should be sent to the government, where they belong. |
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PaperTiger
Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: Ulaanbataar
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
The hakwon industry is not regulated by the Korean government. It is not up to Dave to fill in for them and enforce the various laws or lobby for laws to be passed.
Complaints about employment violations should be sent to the government, where they belong. |
Dude, ESL Methuselah...clear the cobwebs from your ever-whitening beard and try a little thinking for a change...put your bifocals on and read what you're writing. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that you could go to the government for help when your employer violates Korea's selectively enforced "laws" but anyone can also tell you it's equally obvious that foreigners can expect very little in the form of protection from either the government or any other official office here in Korea.
Just because you were a noobie while I was still watching Captain Kangaroo and Soupy Sales on Saturday morning (that's 26 years ago) and maybe you just can't remember what it was like, doesn't mean the new crop of people don't deserve any sympathy. Why don't you take a break from automatically gainsaying anything you read and think about what you're defending? I never thought I'd hear anyone support this idea of people profiting from openly defrauding foreigners. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| huck wrote: |
| There's a loophole where schools don't have to pay pension or medical insurance. CDI got a complaint about that awhile ago, but they showed that it was legal...I'm not sure how, though. |
Medical is mandatory, no exceptions, been that way for over a year. New law made it mandatory, from the beginning of 2006.
Pension, depends on number of employees at the school, less than 5(?) is cause for exemption. |
Wrong. It depends how you designate the employee. If you put them as a type of "special contractors", then you don't need to. |
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