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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Interesting News; or Propaganda? |
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I have noticed a lot of "news" in the mainstream media recently about Kennedy; promoting the "Oswald did it' nonsense. If that premise is so clear, and it "doesn't matter" anymore, why the recent propaganda campaign? Is somebody under pressure to counteract convincing evidence to the contrary?
First , the window on Ebay that never actually sold.
Now, "new" motorcade footage.
Oh, and don't forget Gopher's recent article.
Don't tell me this is an old or dead story. It has been all over the news lately.
Regarding the "proof" that Oswald did it:
"We're not a free country anymore. Because the people who are smart enough and powerful enough to take out a president 'like that' and get away with it. . . are probably involved in other areas of the government. In other words, the country is being run by people we did not vote for." - researcher Gary Mack, in The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
He is the one mentioned in the article and is now the government spokesmen at the "6th Floor Museum, the Government Propaganda facility in Dallas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17229693?GT1=9033
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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The reason has all to do with the Clintons.
The democrats have tried to make Billary look like the next Camelot for years. Certain liberal forces are just building up steam before the elections. The same thing happens every four years.... start showing lots of Kennedy footage, movies, and videos a year or two out. Then come the media comparisons between the "heavenly" Kennedy years, and the Clinton years. Next will come the news story tie-ins and hints between Kennedy, Bill Clinton, along with implications that we can re-live this enchanted time again if we only elect Hillary.
That's what is going on here. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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That clip only showed a recently unearthed video of the motorcade and the environs. Nothing special.
The commentator on the MSNBC link you provided claimed that there was already definitive proof that Oswald was the lone gunman. Get over it. Move on to the next crap claim. It would be much more interesting. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting News; or Propaganda? |
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regicide wrote: |
why the recent propaganda campaign? |
Indeed, Reggie. Indeed.
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Interesting News; or Propaganda? |
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regicide wrote: |
I have noticed a lot of "news" in the mainstream media recently about Kennedy; promoting the "Oswald did it' nonsense. If that premise is so clear, and it "doesn't matter" anymore, why the recent propaganda campaign? Is somebody under pressure to counteract convincing evidence to the contrary?
First , the window on ebay that never actually sold.
Now, "new" motorcade footage.
Oh, and don't forget Gopher's recent article.
Don't tell me this is an old or dead story. It has been all over the news lately.
For those of you who know who Gary Mack is, he appeared in the original episodes of the "Men Who Killed Kennedy" and said something to the effect that " men powerful enough to take out a President like that, are probably affecting other areas of our government" He is now the government spokesmen at the "6th Floor Museum, the government propaganda facility in Dallas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17229693?GT1=9033 |
Owald DID do it. ALot of the conspiracy claims have been easily rebuffed. Just the other day I watched a documentay where they rebuffed alot of them, like they say with a single bolt action oswald couldnt have fired to many shots, but they had a marine on the show duplicate it easily and so forth. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the news now a days is commentary or propaganda.
I happened to see the footage on the news, but I'm not sure what to think of it. I guess in the end it doesn't do much for me either way. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Interesting News; or Propaganda? |
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We know, NAVFC, you have proven it to us before with your "TV specials". Too bad the majority of Americans are not with you on this.
NAVFC wrote: |
Owald DID do it. ALot of the conspiracy claims have been easily rebuffed. Just the other day I watched a documentay where they rebuffed alot of them, like they say with a single bolt action oswald couldnt have fired to many shots, but they had a marine on the show duplicate it easily and so forth. |
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/141
According to the doctors who treated him at Parkland, Kennedy was shot twice in the front; the neck and the temple.
Oswald tested negative on his parafin test, court admissable evidence that he did not fire a rifle that day. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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He WAS a "patsy".
Framing him served to make the official line story simple. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
That clip only showed a recently unearthed video of the motorcade and the environs. Nothing special.
The commentator on the MSNBC link you provided claimed that there was already definitive proof that Oswald was the lone gunman. Get over it. Move on to the next crap claim. It would be much more interesting. |
This is your proof? MSNBC's STATEMENT that he was the lone gunman? You take their word for it? You call mine , a crap claim. At least I have witnesses and evidence.
The Newmans were there:
John and Gayle Newman : They maintain to this day that-- "the shots came from the knoll". This is in complete contradition to the official story that Lee Oswald fired the only shots from above and behind. In fact , fifty one other witnesses confirm the Newman's story. While it can not be stated with absolute assurance that Oswald never fired a weapon on November 22, 1963, there is an abudance of evidence to support this idea. The Dallas Police paraffin test showed no nitrates on Oswald's cheek, court-admissable evidence that he had not fired a rifle , particularly the loose bolted Mannlicher- Carcano. Nitrate traces on both of his hands is not conclusive evidence that he fired a pistol either , since printer's ink and other material found at his workplace could account for the nitrates on his hands.
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006 Location: The Road to Ithaca
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Interesting News; or Propaganda? |
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regicide wrote: |
We know, NAVFC, you have proven it to us before with your "TV specials". Too bad the majority of Americans are not with you on this. |
The majority of Americans believe in a sky god, too -- that doesn't make them right. Majorities may be the best thing going in a democracy, but it's inane to base your beliefs and opinions on them, because about as often as not it turns out the majority of people are idiots.
Just for record, I doubt Oswald acted alone, but I'm not willing to declare my doubt as fact. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Canned Tuna Exceeds Guidelines On Mercury:
CBC Investigation
Mon Feb 19, 8:25 PM
Following a CBC investigation that found mercury levels above the allowed limit, Health Canada issued new consumption guidelines on Monday for canned albacore tuna for women and children.
The tuna may routinely exceed Canada's mercury guidelines, the investigation has learned, but until Monday, Health Canada failed to warn consumers about the potential danger.
The health benefits of eating tuna have been widely established; it is a relatively inexpensive source of high-quality protein, low in saturated fat and contains omega-3 fatty acids, touted for their heart-protective benefits.
But tuna also contains mercury, a dangerous contaminant that can affect the heart, brain and immune system.
However, prior to CBC's investigation, if you read Health Canada's advice on the matter, you would have thought you had nothing to worry about.
Health Canada has established a guideline level of 0.5 parts per million (ppm) for mercury in commercial fish.
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency tests canned tuna before it gets to store shelves to ensure it meets the 0.5 ppm guideline. On average, six per cent of the albacore tuna it tests fails and is pulled before it gets to grocery stores.
"I have confidence in the program that we operate, that it continues to serve the public well in providing assurance that the products in the marketplace predominantly meet the guideline level," says CFIA spokesman Paul Mayers.
CBC put that claim to the test, conducting the first public survey of its kind to examine the mercury content in the canned tuna that makes it to store shelves.
13% exceeded guidelines
Sixty cans of albacore, or "white" tuna, were purchased at nine grocery stores in Vancouver, Winnipeg and Toronto. Studies have shown "white" tuna is typically higher in mercury content than "light" tuna, because it's generally a larger, older fish that has accumulated more mercury.
The tuna was tested at the University of Ottawa's Centre for Advanced Research in Environmental Genomics, which is internationally recognized for its work with mercury.
"I was suprised. They were a good deal higher than I'd thought," said Dr. David Lean, who supervised the testing. "Clearly these tuna should not be eaten on a regular basis," he added.
Thirteen per cent of the tuna tested exceeded Health Canada guidelines.
"This is not to say if you eat fish above 0.5 you're going to drop dead tomorrow, or if you eat fish a little bit lower you're going to be fine. It has to do a lot with how much of it you eat," Lean said.
"But we were seeing numbers as high as 0.9, which is almost double the guideline. So why are they on the shelf? Why are we not protected?"
Results no surprise to CFIA
Paul Mayers, a spokesman for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, said the organization does the best it can.
"Our view was that the results don't represent a surprise," he told CBC.
The CFIA actually allows mercury levels up to 0.54, due to its system of rounding to one decimal point, so only eight per cent of the tuna tested should not have been for sale, officials said.
As for why so many cans that exceeded even the 0.54 guideline are on grocery-store shelves, Mayer said it's inevitable.
"I'm not saying that compliance can never improve. What I'm saying is we will not get 100 per cent when we're dealing with a ubiquitous environmental contaminant."
Other countries, such as the United States, have issued advisories to consumers about the potential dangers of canned tuna - including special advice to pregnant and nursing women, because too much mercury can cause neurological damage, especially in children and fetuses.
Safe consumption advice ranges from no more than one can of albacore tuna a week in some jurisdictions to none at all in others.
While Health Canada does warn about consumption of fresh and frozen tuna, its website, until Monday, said limiting canned tuna consumption was not necessary.
"We are making available this information right now because of the interest in canned albacore tuna in particular," Health Canada's Samuel Godefroy told CBC on Monday afternoon.
The new guidelines indicate that "Canadians can rest assured that there is no reason to stop eating canned tuna."
However, it suggests that "as a precaution":
- Pregnant or breastfeeding women can eat up to four servings of canned albacore tuna per week.
- Children between the ages of one and four years can eat up to one serving per week.
- Children between the ages of five and 11 years can eat up to two servings per week.
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has begun an investigation based on the CBC's test results.
The agency says it will recall product, if it finds such a move is justified. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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We know, NAVFC, you have proven it to us before with your "TV specials". Too bad the majority of Americans are not with you on this.
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Perhaps you should do some reading on the ad populum fallacy. Your ally IGTG likes to explain fallacies, so maybe he can fill you in. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: ad populum |
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On the other hand wrote: |
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We know, NAVFC, you have proven it to us before with your "TV specials". Too bad the majority of Americans are not with you on this.
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Perhaps you should do some reading on the ad populum fallacy. Your ally IGTG likes to explain fallacies, so maybe he can fill you in. |
I have now read about and understand your ad populum concept. I believe in what I believe, however, because of the evidence before me. Not because of what other people think. It also seems that the cover up was based on the concept of Argumentum ad Verecundiam using Gerald Ford and others credibility.
George H.W. Bush�s Eulogy for Gerald R. Ford
The New York Times
Published: January 2, 2007
EXCERPT�
�After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy (Bush laughed!), our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness. And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford�s word was always good.
�A decade later, when scandal forced a vice president from office, President Nixon turned to the minority leader in the House to stabilize his administration because of Jerry Ford�s sterling reputation for integrity within the Congress. To political ally and adversary alike, Jerry Ford�s word was always good.�
Most people have a "feeling" something is not right. That is all. They do not know exactly why, and are easily swayed to the other side by the "TV specials" I referred to. Or because of a mainstreem media article like another poster read and believed hook, line and sinker.
I base my conclusion largely on the Physicians who treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital that day. Like Dr. Charles Crenshaw:
"He had firsthand personal experience with the crime; he saw that JFK was struck twice from the front: once in the neck, and once in the right side of the head. President LBJ called him to ask for a "deathbed confession" from Oswald. Dr. Crenshaw and the other personnel in the emergency room were ordered not to speak about the events, citing the standard medical confidentiality."
(C. Crenshaw, et al, JFK: Conspiracy of Silence, 1992, p. 75) |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
He WAS a "patsy".
Framing him served to make the official line story simple. |
If I had a conspiracy theory, it would be that the claims he was a patsy were fabricated to divert attention away from Robert Kennedy's murder. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Mercury in tuna is old news. I've personally known about this for nearly 20 years. |
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