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		andy202
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:21 am    Post subject: Kid with a gun | 
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				Today, during kindergarten, I was held at gun-point by a five year old girl.
 
 
She is a nice enough little tot and, with the exception of the odd airbourne sign pen, has never given me any cause to expect imminent death or injury.
 
 
Today however, she produced from her backpack what appeared to be something along the lines of a 44 Magnum revolver and, I'm going to level with you, I was scared.
 
 
She twizzled it around playfully for a while, then, as I peeked out from under the table, she complied with my polite request to put it away.
 
 
It later occurred to me to wonder what it is that causes Korean mommies and daddies to bestow such a weapon of hate and bloodshed upon an unknowing little girl. 
 
 
I like to think it was no more than a convincing replica, but why? In a country which has managed to resist nothing but this, the worst of American conventions, must they then generate the idea for their young?
 
 
I was also introduced to a fine collection of small daggers by a very proud little boy of similar age a while ago. 
 
 
Is this normal or am I unwittingly teaching at the Korean Combat school for Kinders? | 
			 
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		uberscheisse
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject:  | 
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				keep in mind you're living in a country where there is a tangible fear of attack from a huge infantry. you're also living in a country where criticism of agression against an outside enemy is rare. 
 
 
so - a replica gun in your class... not a big deal really. make a stink about it and you'll look like a weirdo. no matter how right you are. 
 
 
korea hasn't even had a sexual revolution yet, much less a peace movement. | 
			 
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		andy202
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Korea hasn't had a lot of things and, apart from a peace movement, this includes an agression movement.
 
 
The point I make is that I haven't witnessed any form of gun culture in Korea so why suddenly cultivate it among 5 year-olds?
 
 
The best conclusion I can come up with is naivity. This would also explain why kids can buy candy in dispensers identical to those in which strong medication is prescribed.
 
 
As for making a stink, I am free-wheeling toward my leave date and thus in no mood to openly question the behaviour of my students to anyone but rational westerners from the safety of my laptop. | 
			 
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		thebum
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject:  | 
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korea hasn't even had a sexual revolution yet | 
	 
 
 
 
there is no better time to start than now! | 
			 
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		happeningthang
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject:  | 
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				There's no comparison to be made between American and Korean gun cultures. From what I understand they're almost impossible to obtain in Korea outside of the army. Does anyone else recall gangsters attacking soldiers on guard duty, in order to obtain their guns?
 
 
What you saw was almost certainly a plastic replica that shoots pellets. Hard plastic pellets to be fair. They're stocked in every toy store I've been in, and readily available in E-mart. It's a toy to Korean kids, and it's nothing more than that, since the real thing just doesn't exist here.
 
 
Kids act out, and there are more than enough violence themed movies and anime around to inspire them. There's been a few hard, plastic, ninja knives, inspired by the 'Naruto' anime, amongst the boys of one of my elementary classes. There's been a fair few yo-yos as well. I tolerate the knives until they start making the inevitable stabby motions, then they lose them for the duration of the class. Do it again and they lose it for good. | 
			 
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		billybrobby
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject:  | 
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				I remember seeing a kid on the street playing with a plastic gun and it seemed kinda off to me and I couldn't put my finger on what it was. But the thing was is that the gun had no obvious indicator that it was fake, such as the orange tip on the barrel or being the wrong color. I realized that it's hard to find such toy guns in America because there's so many real guns.
 
 
Another thing that threw me off was seeing kids playing on the city street at night.
 
 
It's sad the freedoms we've given up because of our own violence. As irrational as people say Koreans are, nothing is more irrational than a society where we can't stop murdering each other in the street. | 
			 
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		JongnoGuru
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Kid with a gun | 
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	  | I like to think it was no more than a convincing replica, but why? In a country which has managed to resist nothing but this, the worst of American conventions, must they then generate the idea for their young? | 
	 
 
 
 
 
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	  | The point I make is that I haven't witnessed any form of gun culture in Korea so why suddenly cultivate it among 5 year-olds? | 
	 
 
 
 
Andy, let me say first that my own initial reaction was not unlike yours and BillyBRobby's. I've never taught, never spent a great deal of time around Korean children, but believe me, I saw this same sort of thing a LOT when I got here. And as I've just said, I was as puzzled and dismayed as you two are. 
 
 
Now, here's where I think you may be misreading things. First, it has essentially nothing to do with America or the problem of random violent crime in American streets. The first line of Ubersheisse's post pretty much nails it. It really has to do with the Korean War, successive military governments, armed coups, assassinations, military conscription and the DMZ. I won't say it has EVERYTHING to do with that, because I'll allow for SOME influence of Hollywood shoot-em-up action movies in recent years. But that's not at all where this is coming from. 
 
 
Second, you talk about Korea "suddenly" cultivating this (toy) gun culture, and I don't believe this to be accurate. You're discussing an incident with a student that took place today in 2007, whereas my first encounter with this was nearly 15 years ago and I've seen it again and again to the point that it just doesn't faze me now. The times I've seen kids play with guns, to the extent that I paid much attention at all, there didn't seem to be any obvious criminal thug "gangsta" element to the gun-play. It's more like you've got two "commando units" from opposing armies, and they're going at it. If that makes sense. 
 
 
And I think it does, I think that resonates at a deep level with the recent experience & second-hand memories of war. And of military dictatorships & armed coups, of anti-communist propaganda like we've never seen, of conscription (ALWAYS in the news), of joint military exercises across this small country, of very violent & bloody demonstrations, of what used to be monthly traffic-stopping air-raid drills, and of the occasional exciting, unannounced appearance of tank columns in downtown Seoul streets.    
 
 
In the earlyish '90s, I had a secretary who was quite old for a Korean secretary, nearly a grandmother then. Our employer was private-sector, but because of the work we were doing, our office was located within a restricted government facility, and the building was "secure". Once in a great while, like maybe once a year, we'd suddenly and without warning lose all electric power. Everything shut down and the lights went out; we'd just be sitting there in the darkness and silence wondering what to do, how long to wait.
 
 
Now, my thoughts at that moment were basically, "Ho hum. Just a power outage", but not Ms Lee's. She'd make a mad scramble for the phone and franticallly ring up everybody she knew. Her son, her college alumni, her ajuma lunch-buddy in the building next to ours, everyone. To verify if their power was also out.    
 
 
So? What's your point, Guru? Well, her concern, as she explained to me, was that in the case of a coup d'etat, one of the first steps the coup leaders would take would be to cut our facility's power & communications and thereby disrupt efforts to organise a counter-offensive. My brain told me this was just the wild, paranoid fear of an old lady. I also didn't imagine we were that "important". But my nerves didn't know what to think. How could this malfunction happen HERE, and without warning? Surely they must have back-up power supply here. Hmm... The armed guards around the perimeter and at all the exits. Will they be killed?? Will they turn on us??!!)
 
 
Annoyingly, she spoke from personal experience. Several of them, in fact. And so in her mind, yet another military coup was totally, totally within the realm of probability.  Of course there were no coups in Korea in the 1990s, very happily. But I'll admit she had me kinda spooked those times.     
 
 
That's the thing about the "bad old days" in Korea. They really aren't as old as some people like to think. And this fascination with realistic-looking toy guns that you see Korean kids playing with -- that's an enduring  holdover from Korea's "bad (though not so) old days", not a case of Koreans aping America's "bad present days". | 
			 
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		Gamecock
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Wow!  A child playing with a toy gun.  This never happens anywhere but the USA.  How is this crime against humanity spreading to other nations???
 
 
What is the deal with some of the posters on this board?   Is it possible for them to say ANYTHING without it being an anti-American slam?  I'm as critical of the negatives of my nation as anyone, but some of you people need to get a life. | 
			 
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		NAVFC
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  Wow!  A child playing with a toy gun.  This never happens anywhere but the USA.  How is this crime against humanity spreading to other nations???
 
 
What is the deal with some of the posters on this board?   Is it possible for them to say ANYTHING without it being an anti-American slam?  I'm as critical of the negatives of my nation as anyone, but some of you people need to get a life. | 
	 
 
 
 
AMEN gamecock! AMEN! | 
			 
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		jaderedux
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I want one except that it shoots water!  Be great in the summer.  
 
 
Jade gun lovin gun totin gun owning American.....and btw hate george bush.... | 
			 
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		gsxr750r
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I keep a Colt Double Eagle air soft gun under my desk at work.  Sometimes, I pull it out and let the students shoot things off of the table across the room.  We have fun.
 
 
It looks very realistic.  If I flashed it in public the USA, the police would be on me -- guns drawn -- in a hot minute.
 
 
Toy guns back home are restricted to having bright orange tips, or preferrably, all-bright non-metallic colors so police know it's a toy.  This after many children were shot for pointing a toy gun at the cops.
 
 
The police in the USA are protected (mostly) if they shoot a suspect that pulls a gun on them. | 
			 
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		Zolt
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Sensitivity on the issue depends on where you've grown up.
 
 
If I see a kid draw a gun at me in Korea, I instantly know it's a replica and laugh at him.
 
 
I I see a kid draw a gun at me in America, I duck.
 
 
On the other hand, didn't some guy manage to rob a bank with a gun replica af couple weeks ago? | 
			 
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		sportsguy35
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| I am more scared of the things that are readily available is schools in America, like Harry Potter.  Lets not teach our children to shoot, lets teach them to place demonic spells on people. Mmmmmmuch better... | 
			 
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		mnhnhyouh
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | I am more scared of the things that are readily available is schools in America, like Harry Potter.  | 
	 
 
 
 
Are you serious?
 
 
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		NAVFC
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | I am more scared of the things that are readily available is schools in America, like Harry Potter.  Lets not teach our children to shoot, lets teach them to place demonic spells on people. Mmmmmmuch better... | 
	 
 
 
 
Wow thios is officially the new #1 most ridicilous post on Daves.
 
Yes Harry Potter books are deadly weapons of Demonic power giving children the power to castt- due *slaps you really hard back and forth*
 
 
Those books are F I C T I O N. There is no spells no wizard powers etc..
 
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