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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: KABOOM Reply with quote

Yay! I'm at a PC 방!

I've had trouble with my PC for a while now. A while back my computer's hard drive light would turn on, and the drive would spin out of control until I turned it off. I took that drive out, and everything seemed good again.

But over the last month or two, strange things began to happen.

For example, and this stuck in my mind considering how frequently I use it: My wacom tablet would alert me that the drivers werent running. I updated the drivers and that seemed to have fixed that problem. But then the computer would occasionally crash. No spinning hard drive, just total freeze. And quite often iTunes wouldnt crash upon exiting... oh! And Firefox would stop running.

Things would usually be find after a reboot. I tried looking at the event logs and it'd tell me that the computer had stopped working. Sadly, I didnt write the notice down, but it had something to do with the 1% needing the 2% because 3% was out on a date or something...

Anyway, tonight I was recording myself practicing guitar, when the computer froze dead again.

Hitting reset got me nothing but a black screen.

I powered off and turned it back on again. I got the name of the video card and then a black screen.

Reboot, I got past the memory test (before the devices turned on) when I got the following notice:

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PCI vendors and device IDs do not match


It goes to a black screen, and then nothing... And it's remained at nothing since then. It didn't even come close to starting up XP.

Starting the computer up just gets me some whirring fans and that's it. The monitor knows it's plugged in to the computer, but is acting like the PC is off (you know, a little flashing light telling me that I forgot to turn it off as well.)

So... Sorry, but the PC is dead as a doorknob and I can't give any more information to anyone who cares to offer advice than this. So if anyone care to tell me how boned I am and what I can do about it based on this alone, thanks.

Before I forget: I've run a million virus and spy/mal ware checks. I do that daily. Clean as a whistle
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like hardware failure.. If the computer beeps when you push the power then its your vid card if there is no beep its your mobo. Or your PSU most likely mobo.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try flashing the BIOS or try booting in safe mode with command prompt. If you boot using prompt mode, the system will show you all the driver its loading and will freeze when it hits the offending device/driver. Write that down and post it back here.

I have a few questions as well. You say you "took the drive out". What does this mean? You removed the hard drive and it booted fine?

What exactly are your system specs? Windows XP? Motherboard make model? Peripheral components?

You say you updated the drivers for your tablet...from the Wacom site? No issues during installation? I'm unsure how those tablets work...are they just a USB line in? Does your motherboard have USB posts or do you need a PCI card?

Anyhow, the error message you wrote in your post is telling of a conflict between hardware and the BIOS. One of them needs to be updated or changed.

What PCI cards do you have in your computer? Sound? USB card? Firewire?

Fixing the problem is going to take time and patience, and access to a couple of other parts, if you can.

Start by removing PCI cards. Take one out, try to boot. If still nothing, take another one out, try to boot. If you have no PCI cards, try a different PSU.

Summary (my post is rambling):

Safe mode boot with command prompt. What happens, if anything.

Do you have a floppy drive installed? If yes, go to a PC room and download the latest BIOS for your mainboard. Read the BIOS flash procedure careful (you can't flash from inside Windows; doing it from a floppy is a bit more difficult). The BIOS flash procedure should be explained on the mainboard maker's site.

If that doesn't work or your BIOS is up to date, Try removing devices one at a time. Be careful here and make sure the computer has no power going to it, depress the power switch after unplugging it (to discharge remaining power within the system) and be well grounded before going inside the PC.

If none of this works, try a new power supply. (PSU) Cheap and available everywhere.

Still nothing? New mainboard.

Past this, I cannot think right now...still on the first cup of coffee here....
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I unplugged everything that wasn't nessecary and booted 'er up. The first time it told me there was no keyboard, but after a reboot, everying is fine. It got stuck for a bit on the Windows loading screen, but finallly chugged through.

I don't know if this is related or not, but Firefox crashes everytime I try to type with it. So I had to open Internet Explorer which is what I'm using now.

Wrench wrote:
Sounds like hardware failure.. If the computer beeps when you push the power then its your vid card if there is no beep its your mobo. Or your PSU most likely mobo.

No beeping.

Demophobe wrote:
Try flashing the BIOS or try booting in safe mode with command prompt. If you boot using prompt mode, the system will show you all the driver its loading and will freeze when it hits the offending device/driver. Write that down and post it back here.

Hmmm... that sounds like I'll have to plug everything back in. I'll do that later tonight since I need to go to work soon.

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I have a few questions as well. You say you "took the drive out". What does this mean? You removed the hard drive and it booted fine?

I had two harddrives. One for Windows, the other for storeage. When I removed the storage drive, the previous crashing problems stopped. That was about eight months ago I think.

But, I mentioned it because I thought it might possibly be related.

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What exactly are your system specs? Windows XP? Motherboard make model? Peripheral components?

*click*

It's XP Pro. 2002 version. Intel pentium 4 CPU 2.80GHZ. 1 GB RAM.

I'm not sure about the motherboard, but it has GB-8IE2004P writen on it.

Always attached, I have: WACOM tablet, Logitec camera. And of course: Keyboard, mouse, modem, and monitor.

These things get swapped in and out all of the time: iPod, digital camera, and HP Scanjet scanner.

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You say you updated the drivers for your tablet...from the Wacom site? No issues during installation? I'm unsure how those tablets work...are they just a USB line in? Does your motherboard have USB posts or do you need a PCI card?

I got them from the site, yeah. And no problems installing.

Just a USB line in.

I have six USB ports. Two are attached directly to the board, and the other four are attached to the motherboard via long wires. One of them i never use because it got detached from the front of the case and I've been too lazy to stick it back where it belongs

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What PCI cards do you have in your computer? Sound? USB card? Firewire?

Network, video, sound... though checking the hardware stats now, and windows is telling me the like the sound card's drivers aren't working... Or the card itself is not there? Odd.

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PCI bus 0, device 31, function 5

I dunno what that means.

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Fixing the problem is going to take time and patience, and access to a couple of other parts, if you can.


Thanks for all of the advice.

If it's looking like a long haul of fussing with the thing, I'll just give the guy at the PC shop 40,000 to do it for me. But if anything I said above alters your guy's prognosis, let me know.

Then again, I was going to buy a laptop with my severence pay and hand this thing off to a friend, so maybe this will just speed my timetable up.

Thanks.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
Hmmm... that sounds like I'll have to plug everything back in. I'll do that later tonight since I need to go to work soon.

And then...

Everything worked fine. And it's working fine still. But that doesn't mean it;s not going to do it again in the future, so I'm going to try and recreate the problem again and let you all know.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there is a discrepancy between your mainboard as you posted and what it actually is. The GB-8IE2004P (Asus) is for Athlon CPUs, whereas the GA-8IE2004P (Gigabyte) is for P4s. I'm thinking you either have the latter mainboard or the former CPU.

In any even, the sound card may be the culprit. Go to the control panel, hardware, deevice manager and expand the sound,video tab to see if there are any yellow exclamation marks in there. I am just wondering what the conflicting hardware is...

Both mainboards have onboard audio, so you can live without your sound card if it went south.

Also, you may want to make sure you have the latest BIOS. Go to the manufacturers website and check it out. In order to verify that your motherboard has the latest BIOS version, you must boot the system and hit the pause button at the first screen where the memory is being counted. Near the top or bottom of the screen, you will see 1 or 2 lines that will say the model of the motherboard, and usually the BIOS version that the motherboard is using.

The BIOS revision should appear as "BIOS ver xxx". If you can't find this number, you should be able to find a date that the BIOS was released. Check this number against the BIOS release dates on the motherboard manufacturers web site and you should be able to verify which version you have.
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