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freethought
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Ah, yes, the world concern expressed over Iran and North Korea's insistence on acquiring nuclear weapons is just a political spat. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Iran was insisting on acquiring nuclear weapons. Aren't they merely claiming to be developing nuclear power?
I realize that the technology can easily lead from one to the other, I'm just curious as to what Iran's stated position is. |
Iran's position is a very tricky one. Their stated position is that they are doing it for power. Most people, myself included don't really buy that claim. The problem is that the aim of having 'alternative' fuel sources to oil has been a stated goal for Iranian governments pre-dating the fall of the Shah. Iran is an oil powerhouse, but their reserves are considerably smaller than Iraq's or Saudi Arabia's. They've also been pumping oil for a very long time and have used up a larger percentage of their supply than most other countries. They wont be running out of oil any time soon, but they're not going to be in the game nearly as long as some of their neighbours. So when they say they're doing it for power, that's likely legit, the problem is that they're also doing it for 'power' in a much larger sense... |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Iran's stated position is whatever suits its immediate needs to forestall inspections, drag out diplomacy, and obfuscate long enough to get the bomb. Only naive, wishful thinking foolish liberals and leftists actually believe there's a chance the ayatollahs are sincerely negotiating.
The new weapon is great news--anything that keeps us ahead of those Islamofascist animals.
But then Hite and his hive of buzzing leftists don't care whether America can protect itself. They have no stake in the claim. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Iran was insisting on acquiring nuclear weapons. Aren't they merely claiming to be developing nuclear power? |
Yeah, that's right. And W. Bush says the Middle Eastern wars are all about "democracy."
Since when do we take what any govt says at face value and then repeat its official line?
Amazing how many posters here are falling all over themselves to perform as Tehran or Hezbollah's PR agents. "Not 'wiped off the map!' He was misunderstood! They just want to defend themselves!"
Beyond naive... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Iran was insisting on acquiring nuclear weapons. Aren't they merely claiming to be developing nuclear power? |
Yeah, that's right. And W. Bush says the Middle Eastern wars are all about "democracy."
Since when do we take what any govt says at face value and then repeat its official line? |
That's not the point. Saying that the Iranians are "insisting on nuclear weapons," when they are not, is a misrepresentation of their official position.
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Amazing how many posters here are falling all over themselves to perform as Tehran or Hezbollah's PR agents. "Not 'wiped off the map!' He was misunderstood! They just want to defend themselves!"
Beyond naive... |
I'm falling over myself to defend Tehran or Hezbollah?  It's amazing how some posters here will go out of their way to misrepresent other poster's positions. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| That's not the point. Saying that the Iranians are "insisting on nuclear weapons," when they are not, is a misrepresentation of their official position. |
Who gives a rat's as-s, bruddah? Fact is there PM is going around ranting to crowds about destroying Israel and meeting with other tin-pot dictators making veiled threats to the U.S. and Europe as well.
I think you'd be better off devoting your nit-picking moments to a nice sit-down chat with your Kim Jong Il puppet. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Who gives a rat's as-s, bruddah? |
This is exactly how the American public got tricked/lied into war. Stop asking questions Huffdaddy, you are crazy/unpatriotic/islamofacist/etc when you ask questions. Just trust Cheney and company to figure it out for you! |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
huffdaddy:
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| That's not the point. Saying that the Iranians are "insisting on nuclear weapons," when they are not, is a misrepresentation of their official position. |
Who gives a rat's as-s, bruddah? Fact is there PM is going around ranting to crowds about destroying Israel and meeting with other tin-pot dictators making veiled threats to the U.S. and Europe as well.
I think you'd be better off devoting your nit-picking moments to a nice sit-down chat with your Kim Jong Il puppet. |
Thanks to you and Gopher for restoring my faith in the right-wing. I was beginning to think it was only the left-wing 9/11 nutters who were unable to take truth and logic into consideration. Now I remember why I stay away from the red staters. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: ... |
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| Amazing how many posters here are falling all over themselves to perform as Tehran or Hezbollah's PR agents. |
McGarret has spoken in favor of strikes.
I believe I've explained my position.
Perhaps you could explain yours. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
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huffdaddy:
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| That's not the point. Saying that the Iranians are "insisting on nuclear weapons," when they are not, is a misrepresentation of their official position. |
Who gives a rat's as-s, bruddah? Fact is there PM is going around ranting to crowds about destroying Israel and meeting with other tin-pot dictators making veiled threats to the U.S. and Europe as well.
I think you'd be better off devoting your nit-picking moments to a nice sit-down chat with your Kim Jong Il puppet. |
Thanks to you and Gopher for restoring my faith in the right-wing... |
Only on this board do I appear "right-wing," Huggybear.
And thank you for confirming my belief that you came here intending to defend the Iranian govt's official position.
PR spokesman. And a one-sided one at that.
How many times, Huggybear, have you so vigorously defended the W. Bush Administration's official position when others here have maliciously mischaracterized it...? Hmm...? |
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