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Weird experiences at my elementary school.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Weird experiences at my elementary school. Reply with quote

Today, the head co-teacher asked me to correct the grammar on a short letter.

So I read through it and discovered it was a statement saying that I would agree to teach xxxxx extra hours outside of regular classtime.

Then she asked me to sign it. Confused

Yeah right.

I told her that I am not agreeing to what it says and I didn't sign it.

She replied that it was just a formality, as they need to have such a letter on file? Shocked
"We don't really want a class at this time" but sign please.


Luckily, the bell rang and I had to go to teach a class, but I am expecting there to be some sort of confrontation over this.

I do not like to be lied to or tricked into doing something that I didn't agree to, but it sure seems like this is what they are trying to do.

Uggg.

Anyone care to elaborate on how I might be misinterpreting this situation?

Thanks.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's weird. I teach extra hours but didn't sign any papers what so ever. I smell a rat! But I could be very wrong Embarassed
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gsxr750r



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sign it and you sign away any chance of winning at the Labor Board after they screw you.

Tell them you signed a contract for X number of hours, and you will be sticking to that contract.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. That sounds like such a slimy thing to do. If someone comes to me and is up front about wanting an extra class or two, I will almost always be fine with it. But that? Shoot. On the principal that they were deceptive alone, I wouldn't agree to work the extra classes, ever.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought all that sort of behaviour was unique to hagwons.

That stuff should be in your contract right at the start.

They can't make up new additional contracts as they go along.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is entirely possible that I am misunderstanding their intent.


Perhaps they wanted to draft a letter to have on file in the event that they would decide to ask me to teach extra classes in the future.

Perhaps what she was trying to say in her broken English was something like .."and this is where you would sign if this were a real situation".


But it certainly didn't come across that way.


I've heard through the grapevine that the foreign teacher who started here last year did a midnight run. Hmmmm.

I wonder what other joys await me .... Shocked
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sign it 'Korea Fighting'
see if they notice.
Month late they ask you to do the classes, they wave that piece of paper in front of you. ㅋㅋㅋ
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't sound like you misunderstood anything. And I STILL wouldn't tecah those extra classes no matter how much they scraped and bowed. Think of it another way. You decline to teach 2 of the hours per week or say 8 per month that you agreed to in your contract. What happens? Nothin' good, that's for sure.
It's the principal. They were deceptive.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bust out the contract and point exactly to your stated hours.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've signed something in the past merely stating that I agree to do extra lessons(paid)

Just sounds like a voluntary overtime agreement.

20-25K straight after regular classes-4;30-5:20.2 blocks of 20 classes during the course of the year.

Fine with me.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:

It's the principal. They were deceptive.


Exactly. Why koreans don't simly ask politely, or include things in the original contract, is beyond me. Most people don't object to much so long as they get the feeling they are appreciated, and everything is laid out in the open.
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is entirely possible that I am misunderstanding their intent.


Perhaps they wanted to draft a letter to have on file in the event that they would decide to ask me to teach extra classes in the future.

Perhaps what she was trying to say in her broken English was something like .."and this is where you would sign if this were a real situation".




Yep, that is the kind of attitude that Koreans will take advantage of. I don't wish to be rude, but you are not misunderstanding anything. They are trying to pull a fast one on you.

Cheers.

dmbfan
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rothkowitz



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is paid voluntary O/T we're talking about?
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it were voluntary, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But when they try to trick me into doing it........

I will show them my contract if it continues to be an issue.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the letter is brought to you again, you might try explaining that this is NOT a good way to approach the situation. Koreans sometimes feel that we want to do everything "by the book" (TRUE!), but they don't realize that if we're asked to do something else, we're pretty flexible...as long as we're being paid for our time.

Or...they may be trying to screw you over!! Did the letter say anything about number of extra hours or overtime pay?
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