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Is a foreigners' association legal or illegal

 
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Is a foreigners' association legal or illegal Reply with quote

I know unions are illegal. I am not sure. We know the embassies don't really do anything. Is it illegal for foreigners to hand out literature, warn about different schools (black listed ones), assist other foreigners. I've done some of that myself in terms of helping others. Would handing out literature be acceptable under Korean law. I only say this, because I've seen too many people get exploited.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can print something out and hand it out. The question is, how many people have to participate before you can call yourself a representative of foreign teachers?

I think if you did low-key education, you'd be okay, but no collective bargaining activities, and no pressure on the government to improve standards in any way, or they probably would crack down.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it would vary from one visa to another. Different visas, different rights?
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting people to participate on a regular basis and keeping an active roster would be a challange. I don't know what the average stay is for a foreign teachers and I wouldn't even try to guess (because I'd probably be wrong). As someone said, you probably couldn't lobby the goverment or do collective bargining so you'd have to decide what purpose the group would serve. On paper it seems like a good idea, but getting it to actually work would be a pain in the ***.
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merkurix



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A foreigners' association could be considered illegal by immigration authorities if it is deemed political in nature. According to the Korean Immigration Control Act, Chapter IV, Article 17, clause 2: "No foreigner sojourning in the Republic of Korea shall engage in any political activity."
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

merkurix wrote:
A foreigners' association could be considered illegal by immigration authorities if it is deemed political in nature. According to the Korean Immigration Control Act, Chapter IV, Article 17, clause 2: "No foreigner sojourning in the Republic of Korea shall engage in any political activity."



How would it be political if it simply warns foreigners of bad schools, gives them advice. It wouldn't be a lobbying organization, a collective bargaining group. What is political nature entail?
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merkurix



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
merkurix wrote:
A foreigners' association could be considered illegal by immigration authorities if it is deemed political in nature. According to the Korean Immigration Control Act, Chapter IV, Article 17, clause 2: "No foreigner sojourning in the Republic of Korea shall engage in any political activity."



How would it be political if it simply warns foreigners of bad schools, gives them advice. It wouldn't be a lobbying organization, a collective bargaining group. What is political nature entail?


It is possible to argue that such an activity is not necessarily political, but after reading about the famous Busan foreigners' theater bust, just about anything deemed as "subversive" or "disruptive" could be prosecuted. IAgain, I place emphasis on the "could."
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blynch



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Is a foreigners' association legal or illegal Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
I know unions are illegal. I am not sure. We know the embassies don't really do anything. Is it illegal for foreigners to hand out literature, warn about different schools (black listed ones), assist other foreigners. I've done some of that myself in terms of helping others. Would handing out literature be acceptable under Korean law. I only say this, because I've seen too many people get exploited.


I'm sure you are a nice guy. Just dont get yourself in trouble
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decent idea but if you start handing out printed material slamming schools you are attacking the schools reputation (even if the claim is true) and hence making yourself a prime target for a law suit or legal action for slandering a businesses reputation (again even if the claim is right).

Finding people to participate will also be a challenge considering the crowd of eslers here. Most are not here for very long and they are very involved in local affairs.

Finding people who will do the types of things you are talking about adventurer is not the only issue...you need to find people who will do these things in a professional manner and who wont behave like baboons just released from the zoo....a move like you are discussing needs to be done in a certain way to have a positive impact.

The idea has merit and I too used to help teachers (when I had time before my son was born) by running weekend workshops for newbies and teachers in need of advice. We registered with the government for that activity and took no money whatsoever.

You also have to be real careful about complaints about schools because before you go and warn people about a school you need to be damn sure the claims made are true and verified by more than one source!

Anyway...good luck out there adventurer! Very Happy
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Pak Yu Man



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How will you choose the black list? Are you going to trust every foreigner?
They wouldn't pay for a new lightbulb. They are evil, I'll black list them.

I think you should just worry about the big chains we all know and love...if you do this at all.

The F visas could do this for you. I could but my free time is too valuable vasted on helping people that will be gone in a year.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I could but my free time is too valuable vasted on helping people that will be gone in a year.


This may sound tough adventurer but it is pretty close to the mark for many teachers who are here mid or long term.....
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
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I could but my free time is too valuable vasted on helping people that will be gone in a year.


This may sound tough adventurer but it is pretty close to the mark for many teachers who are here mid or long term.....


I think I would scratch the idea of listing schools or black listing them. However, of course, they can post a black listed school elsewhere. I think a general website that tells foreigners what to do when dealing with conditions A, B, or C. Basically, kind of being like an embassy for them, putting them in touch with people who could help, recommend good recruiters.
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Pak Yu Man



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are serious about this then make a webpage.
Then hand out little cards to foreigners about your site.
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