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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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 Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: McCain strolls the safe streets of Baghdad�.... |
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with heavily armed troops, armor, and helicopter gunships.
It would be funny if it weren't so friggin sad:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/01/mccain-strolls-the-safe-streets-of-baghdadw-heavily-armed-protection/
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| Saint McCain is in Iraq this week and proving the "three-months-late" media wrong. Last week he said that the surge is so promising that you can walk the streets of Baghdad safely. He reaffirmed that point at a press conference today, only he forgot to mention that you need 100 US soldiers, three blackhawk helicopters and two apache gunships watching your back. Oops. Must have slipped his mind. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain has gone from being the voice of reason to, well, not. I used to like the guy. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree, he will never be president and that's just fine with me. He has been slipping for a while, but his support, even tacit, was wrong and made him lose all credibility and any sense of being a good "middle" man. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| McCain has gone from being the voice of reason to, well, not. I used to like the guy. |
I used to like him too, but the more and more he has aligned himself with Bush the more respect I've lost for him. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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MilwaukieDave and Octavius:
McCain wasn't taking Bush's side in this war; he was supporting the troops in a way that he deemed responsible as a military officer and combat veteran. The cynics will insist he was positioning himself for the White House but if that were true then backing Bush would be placing a wild bet.
No, McCain is convinced that the surge and the campaign of reclaiming Baghdad that it supports is worth the benefit of the doubt not because he needs to show allegiance to the Commander in Chief but because he doesn't want to be perceived as letting down the troops in the field. Now as leftists who are clueless about military camaraderie I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that.
As for his phalanx of security, Octavius, anyone else in his position as a presidential candidate would be accorded the same as a precaution.
Now if he knew you were roaming the streets of Baghdad, why then he'd be armed and ready himself. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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OMG...Steve you spelled my name correctly.
*faints*
Of course Steve...keep repeating the Fox neocon mantra..if you don't support the war, then you don't support the troops. It's been working so well lately hasn't it. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| McCain has gone from being the voice of reason to, well, not. I used to like the guy. |
Indeed. It's easy when you're not running for president, to sit on the side lines and play the elder statesman, gain power in congress from both parties, and have a good congressional track record for the moderates in a nomination race. But now he has to win the power base that put Bush in power. That means being Bush. McCain is courting Christian fundamentalists, the very fundies he criticized Bush for courting.
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ptarmigan
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Why to avoid Indiana in the summertime:
NYT
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.... The delegation arrived at the market, which is called Shorja, on Sunday with more than 100 soldiers in armored Humvees � the equivalent of an entire company � and attack helicopters circled overhead, a senior American military official in Baghdad said. The soldiers redirected traffic from the area and restricted access to the Americans, witnesses said, and sharpshooters were posted on the roofs. The congressmen wore bulletproof vests throughout their hourlong visit.
... �like a normal outdoor market in Indiana in the summertime,� offered Representative Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican who was a member of the delegation. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/middleeast/03mccain.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Look, they're Republicans, for pity sake. What does it take for people to get it? Isn't seven six years of Shrub enough?
I worked for a Republican legislator as an aide and swore I would never, ever vote for another Republlican in my life. And I haven't. The other aide went on to become a legislator, himself, and is currently under indictment for taking bribes. Could go to jail. Not just corrupt, but stupid. He soliicited bribes from the former head of the state Democratic party, turned lobbyist.
The funny thing about the Republicans, especially in Indiana, is they have their roots firmly entwined with the Ku Klux Klan in the early 20th century. If you weren't a member of the Klan, you couldn't get elected in Indiana, no matter how fine a person you were.
The moral corruption of the Republicans is nothing new. How quickly people forget Richard Nixon. It's the same old story, over and over and over. If anything, they've been refining the corruption into an art form.
The Democrats have their problems, too, but they haven't sold their souls to join the party.
There are the occassional decent Republican, of course. Gerald Ford was not so bad, for example, but even he said he was disgusted with what the Republican Party had become. But by voting for him or her you are also voting for a party, which, when it got control of both houses of Congress made a shambles of American foreign policy, the national economy, and would have liked to have packed the Supreme Court with ideologues, idiots and political hacks.
So, for me, membership in the Republican Party disqualifies a candidate from getting my vote, local or national. Period.
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Why to avoid Indiana in the summertime:
NYT
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.... The delegation arrived at the market, which is called Shorja, on Sunday with more than 100 soldiers in armored Humvees � the equivalent of an entire company � and attack helicopters circled overhead, a senior American military official in Baghdad said. The soldiers redirected traffic from the area and restricted access to the Americans, witnesses said, and sharpshooters were posted on the roofs. The congressmen wore bulletproof vests throughout their hourlong visit.
... �like a normal outdoor market in Indiana in the summertime,� offered Representative Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican who was a member of the delegation. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/middleeast/03mccain.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Look, they're Republicans, for pity sake. What does it take for people to get it? Isn't seven six years of Shrub enough?
I worked for a Republican legislator as an aide and swore I would never, ever vote for another Republlican in my life. And I haven't. The other aide went on to become a legislator, himself, and is currently under indictment for taking bribes. Could go to jail. Not just corrupt, but stupid. He soliicited bribes from the former head of the state Democratic party, turned lobbyist.
The funny thing about the Republicans, especially in Indiana, is they have their roots firmly entwined with the Ku Klux Klan in the early 20th century. If you weren't a member of the Klan, you couldn't get elected in Indiana, no matter how fine a person you were.
The moral corruption of the Republicans is nothing new. It's the same old story, over and over and over. If anything, they've been refining the corruption into an art form.
The Democrats have their problems, too, but they haven't sold their souls to join the party. |
WTF does this have to do with McCain in Iraq? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If the guy from Law & Order jumps in the race, McCain is dust. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| McCain has gone from being the voice of reason to, well, not. I used to like the guy. |
Indeed. It's easy when you're not running for president, to sit on the side lines and play the elder statesman, gain power in congress from both parties, and have a good congressional track record for the moderates in a nomination race. But now he has to win the power base that put Bush in power. That means being Bush. McCain is courting Christian fundamentalists, the very fundies he criticized Bush for courting. |
This is why I dont like him anymore. For power he is ready to turn his back on his stated beliefs. That means he either lied about them earlier or is simply a politician with no moral backbone. Either way, not a good candidate in my eyes. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| If the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are correct, the Republican leader and next fixed computer results U.S. President will be named "Rudy". |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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yesman
Joined: 15 Sep 2006
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MilwaukieDave and Octavius:
McCain wasn't taking Bush's side in this war; he was supporting the troops in a way that he deemed responsible as a military officer and combat veteran. The cynics will insist he was positioning himself for the White House but if that were true then backing Bush would be placing a wild bet.
No, McCain is convinced that the surge and the campaign of reclaiming Baghdad that it supports is worth the benefit of the doubt not because he needs to show allegiance to the Commander in Chief but because he doesn't want to be perceived as letting down the troops in the field. Now as leftists who are clueless about military camaraderie I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that.
As for his phalanx of security, Octavius, anyone else in his position as a presidential candidate would be accorded the same as a precaution.
Now if he knew you were roaming the streets of Baghdad, why then he'd be armed and ready himself. |
Haha! For a guy that says he's not a Republican, you sure love calling people the L word. Oh, but thanks for letting us know you're different. You're far above the simple generalizations you toss out.
And please lavish your wisdom and experience of military camaraderie upon me.
Ah, yes, and are you saying it's normal that Mr. McCain would need 100 armed soldiers, three Blackhawk helicopters, and two Apache gunships for protection as a "presidential candidate"? I don't think you'd want to tread where he was without it. Which is the whole point: McCain indicated his "leisurely stroll" in the safe streets of Baghdad as a sign of progress. Total fabrication. Just wanted to point that out. You seemed to miss that.
I suspect, stevemcgarrett, that you are jinju's second account to mutually self validate in the oh-so-thought provoking threads I can easily spot by the BOLD TYPE. Wouldn't want to miss another one of your wonderfully varied, insightful threads. Do you have a newsletter we could sign up for? Go get some privates and stop trolling. At least then you'd be getting some money for all the time you're spending.
ps. Actually, I do thank you for conveniently typing all your threads BOLDLY. If you must incessantly litter this forum with posts in your free time, it helps give me a quick visual as to which ones to skip. |
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