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Losing the will to teach - what now?!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dee wrote:
Oh, and I am looking into quitting - my boss has been a jerk on other issues too - but it's complicated by the whole LOR thing. For now though, I think I ought to find out if teaching is something I can get a handle on before I move somewhere else and repeat my mistakes.

As for doing a TEFL course - I'm thinking now that that might have been a good idea before I came here (I only did a dummy on-line one). So, how would I go about doing that here in Korea? Can anyone give me a link on this site?


The whole LOR thing is indeed a bit complicated. Do you have a list of all the parents' numbers and a bi-lingual Korean friend? That could easily give you all the leverage you need. Another path may simply be trying to get fired.

From your posts it sounds clear that you're looking at yourself in the mirror asking if you're cut out to teach. Some great teachers have been in exactly the same position. And so have some great accountants, department store managers, and bus drivers. I suspect it's probably still too early for you to know. There are so many factors at work:

- the institutuion. You could find things are completely different for you at a better hagwon or public school. Or maybe you wouldn't do so well at a more serious hagwon or PS with large classes.

- the ages of your students. This is a huge one. What age ranges have you taught so far? In my lifetime I've taught everything from kindergarten to mature students at university (i.e. 30+). I know what ages I work well with and under-12s are just not it for me.

- the resources you have. This one is partly up to you but often something you have very limited control over.

I think the question you have to ask yourself if how are all your classes on the whole. Do all your classes suck? Are some great, some mediocre, and a few hellish? If so, you're in a very similar situation to where I was a few years ago. I now feel I'm doing the most fulfilling job I've had in my life.

As for courses, there is no course I'm aware of that will prepare you for teaching in a Korean classroom. What's helped me the most is reading whatever I can find pertaining to teaching EFL in Korea (even if most of it is aimed at uni teachers) and talking to other teachers in a similar boat. Going out to Starbucks for several very long conversations with the notorious Derek probably helped prepare me for my job far better than any TOEFL course could have.

Finally, if you're going to succeed here, you'll have to learn how not to put up with BS. Do a search for 'Grotto' if you need some help in that department.

Good luck with things.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not many here in korea and they are kinda infrequent. Sorry don't know any links. Your best bet is to either go home and do one or spend a month in Thailand. At least that way you'll learn how to cook Thai food Very Happy

But it really sounds like you just need to change your job. There are better places out there. Although get prepared to get burnt when you tell your director you are leaving,
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: Central Areola

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dee wrote:
Oh, and I am looking into quitting - my boss has been a jerk on other issues too - but it's complicated by the whole LOR thing. For now though, I think I ought to find out if teaching is something I can get a handle on before I move somewhere else and repeat my mistakes.

As for doing a TEFL course - I'm thinking now that that might have been a good idea before I came here (I only did a dummy on-line one). So, how would I go about doing that here in Korea? Can anyone give me a link on this site?


There has been some fantastic advice provided for you here. I really hope you can make a fresh start and turn around the behavior of your troublesome classes. Bosses on the other hand are a different story: ask yourself - Would you put up with this at home? Do you deserve better?

If the answer is yes to either question, then it is time for either a serious chat with your boss, or a new job. Life is too short to work in crappy hakwons - there are great schools and hakwans out there crying out for a responsible and concerned teacher like you.

As for the TEFL course - I really depends on what your goals are. If you would like to improve your technical use of the English Language in order to teach others then go for it. A TEFL course won't help you to become a better teacher - only experience can do that.

Good luck with what ever course of action you choose!
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Losing the will to teach - what now?! Reply with quote

dee wrote:

Discipline is a difficult issue. If I could, I wouldn't hesitate to send the first boy who steps out of line to the boss, or outside for a few minutes, or just sit him facing the wall for a little while, but here's what the boss said:
"If you send a student out of your class again we'll dock your pay."


Get out NOW. You have two options here.

You can do it the Korean way: do terrible things to them you would never think of doing back home. Corporal punishment is the name of the game. Get a nice ruler and smacking. Make them stand in the corner with a book above their head. Make them sit on the "Iron Chair" (got that one from a previous post on punishment), where they have their back to the wall and must be in a "sitting" position, while not actually having a chair under them. They don't do it... smack em.

Or you can do it the way most of us would (myself included) and: get the fook out of there. Any hagwon boss that wll dock your pay for trying to teach the students is a person you DO NOT want to work for. You're still very early in the contract. Get out now before you end up hating this country and everyone in it. It's not worth your mental health to make some money, especially considering any other hagwon will give you the same amount, or more.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't add anything to the great advice you've already received except for one thing:


If you decide to stay and if the boss withholds your pay, you withhold your labour. No complaining or negotiating: just, the minute you find your pay is short, you don't come in. Nothing causes the boss a bigger headache than that, but you must be willing to quit and leave the country if the situation does not resolve itself.


Secondly, I heard a rumour the CELTA is now available in Seoul - sorry got no concrete information, and you might prefer to do it back home anyway.
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confuzed



Joined: 01 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:

Secondly, I heard a rumour the CELTA is now available in Seoul - sorry got no concrete information, and you might prefer to do it back home anyway.


Crazy thing is..the CELTA is aimed at teaching mature ADULTs who want to learn voluntarily.

A better qualification for korea would be a background as a drill sargeant.
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dee



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
The whole LOR thing is indeed a bit complicated. Do you have a list of all the parents' numbers and a bi-lingual Korean friend? That could easily give you all the leverage you need.


What do you mean?
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The advice here is great. I don't have much to add but one thing is that teaching at a hogwan is not easy since they typically provide no training but you will get better at classroom control with time and experience.

I doubt that the student's parents pulled him out of the hogwan because you made him leave the classroom. It's fairly common for Korean teachers to use corporal punishment on their students, even in front of their peers. More likely, the student's parents were looking for a reason to get pull their kid out of the hogwan and just used that incident as an excuse. The hogwan may have raised the tuition when they got a foreign teacher, or a friend from church decided to open a hogwan and they wanted out.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The parents probably didn't even give that as a reason.
The director probably lied.
It is quite common for directors to blame all their losses on foreign teachers.

I once had a director send out notes with all the students.
Soon after that, two-thirds of the students quit.
The director told me that they quit because I was such a bad teacher.

Only one-third of the students were in my class.
Besides, another foreign teacher asked the advanced students what the notes said.
The notes announced a tuition increase.

Another director told me that I was such a bad teacher that all of the students were soon going to quit and she would have to close the school down.
So I went to all the other English schools in town, passing out my resume.
She found out about this and gave me an angry phone call.
I said, "Why are you angry? If I go to work for one of your competitors, that competitor will close down!"
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Travelous Maximus



Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Location: Nueva Anglia

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
The parents probably didn't even give that as a reason.
The director probably lied.
It is quite common for directors to blame all their losses on foreign teachers.

I once had a director send out notes with all the students.
Soon after that, two-thirds of the students quit.
The director told me that they quit because I was such a bad teacher.

Only one-third of the students were in my class.
Besides, another foreign teacher asked the advanced students what the notes said.
The notes announced a tuition increase.

Another director told me that I was such a bad teacher that all of the students were soon going to quit and she would have to close the school down.
So I went to all the other English schools in town, passing out my resume.
She found out about this and gave me an angry phone call.
I said, "Why are you angry? If I go to work for one of your competitors, that competitor will close down!"


Why is it so common for directors to put all the blame on foreign teachers?
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
The parents probably didn't even give that as a reason.
The director probably lied.
It is quite common for directors to blame all their losses on foreign teachers.

I once had a director send out notes with all the students.
Soon after that, two-thirds of the students quit.
The director told me that they quit because I was such a bad teacher.

Only one-third of the students were in my class.
Besides, another foreign teacher asked the advanced students what the notes said.
The notes announced a tuition increase.

Another director told me that I was such a bad teacher that all of the students were soon going to quit and she would have to close the school down.
So I went to all the other English schools in town, passing out my resume.
She found out about this and gave me an angry phone call.
I said, "Why are you angry? If I go to work for one of your competitors, that competitor will close down!"


LOL. Tomato 1, Wonjangnim 0.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reply to TM's question,
directors are probably taking advantage of the language barrier.
They can tell us anything they want to about what has been said about us by a third party, and it would be difficult for us to check up with a third party.

Likewise, THEY can say anything they want to about us to a third party, and it would be difficult for us to check up with a third party.

One of my directors advertised that I taught elementary school in the United States for 20 years and that the other foreign teacher taught elementary school in Canada for 10 years.



She didn't think I was smart enough to read the ad.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dee wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
The whole LOR thing is indeed a bit complicated. Do you have a list of all the parents' numbers and a bi-lingual Korean friend? That could easily give you all the leverage you need.


What do you mean?


Then you can threaten to call all the parents giving them your exact opinion of the place. Don't actually do it - just call a couple of the better students' parents saying you have concerns you'd like to discuss and could they please call wongjangnim asap. That will freak him into doing whatever it takes to get rid of you.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Travelous Maximus wrote:
Why is it so common for directors to put all the blame on foreign teachers?


Cause it's easier to blame the whitie than admit you're too stupid to run a business? Remember the whole "saving face" thing. Part of that is NEVER admitting you're wrong.
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