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[fiveeagles]

[freethought]

what? should I now post 100 million links to every scientist who doesn't believe in your fictional deity?

[mindmetoo]

And this physicist finds good reasons NOT to believe in god.


Why can't you fundies just believe? Why do you obsess on proof to back your faith? *spit*

And of course you'll notice your scientist doesn't subscribe to your literal interpretation of genesis. In fact, the arguments he likely uses from his science to find god is the science you would argue blue in the face is false because it is the foundation of evolutionary science.

[Rteacher]

A link to an article by a prominent scientist that intelligently presents a world view which allows for faith and revelation has much more positive value than than many links to articles by so-called scientists foolishly deriding the existence of God...

Here's an excerpt from "fiveeagles'" link:

ROCKVILLE, Maryland (CNN) -- I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.

As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.

I did not always embrace these perspectives. As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers.

I had to admit that the science I loved so much was powerless to answer questions such as "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I here?" "Why does mathematics work, anyway?" "If the universe had a beginning, who created it?" "Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?" "Why do humans have a moral sense?" "What happens after we die?" (Watch Francis Collins discuss how he came to believe in God )

I had always assumed that faith was based on purely emotional and irrational arguments, and was astounded to discover, initially in the writings of the Oxford scholar C.S. Lewis and subsequently from many other sources, that one could build a very strong case for the plausibility of the existence of God on purely rational grounds. My earlier atheist's assertion that "I know there is no God" emerged as the least defensible. As the British writer G.K. Chesterton famously remarked, "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative."

But reason alone cannot prove the existence of God. Faith is reason plus revelation, and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/collins.commentary/index.html

[ED209]

What? A scientist who used to be an atheist now believes in a god! Say it ain't so.

[mnhnhyouh]

I dont have a problem with a scientist believing in god. However any attempt to "prove" the existence of god is going to fail. In science you cannot prove anything to be true. that includes the existence of god.

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[crusher_of_heads]

[Kuros]

[twg]

Trying to prove a god shows a lack of faith.

[caniff]

[mindmetoo]

[Gopher]

[mindmetoo]

[fiveeagles]

[mindmetoo]