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Losing the will to teach - what now?!
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

I've also lost it too. I need a vacation......... Confused
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dee



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
Cause it's easier to blame the whitie than admit you're too stupid to run a business? Remember the whole "saving face" thing. Part of that is NEVER admitting you're wrong.


I'm not white but I get your meaning.

I don't really care whether or not the director lied about the complaint, I told her I stand by orginal action of sending him out and that's that. Of course, in retrospect, that might not have been the best solution, but as a new teacher with barely any experience in the classroom, and no protocol to follow, I did what I thought was right. I taught the boy several times since the incident and he was fine. It's not really surprising that his Mom might have pulled him out 'cus of me since she was so quick to overreact about the incident in the first place. Good riddens I say, who needs a kid with a parent who thinks the sun shines out of her little angel's backside? Get real. She lives with the boy, she must know what a little sh*te he can be.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't going to go over too well, I know, but as a teacher your first job is to keep the student in the classroom in front of you. You can be the greatest teacher that ever lived, in total control of the material and in perfect knowledge how to get it across. Don't mean richard if the student isn't there ...

Your second job is to get his or her attention so he or she can benefit from what you put on their plate. This is actually the fun part, though it's sometimes also the hardest part ...

Your third job is to get to know them, at least a little bit, as individual human beings and see what they need and how you can get it to them. This part is almost completely fun ...

Gonna get all corny on your ass and suggest that maybe you forgot to love. Oh, yeah, I just remembered, that comes before Numbers 1, 2, and 3 ...

Not judging, not condemning, been in the same place, and I often forget to love, but that's what I learned from the mistakes I've made.

If you're wondering if you are in the right job, just ask : Do I get paid once a month, or do I also get paid when I see my students learn something that was hard but now is easy? If the answer that comes is the first choice, think about getting a job in an office and waiting for the phone to ring. You might even get a bigger paycheck, sitting in that office, especially if you are not getting paid the second way ...

I used to have that office, needless to say, and some would say I was better off there, all the financial and other benefits to be found, but I myself know better, and yeah, I know this all comes off as very corny ...

Again, no criticism intended. The OP seems to be asking if this is the right kind of work to do. I'm just trying to pass on stuff that came by me the hard way, and hoping it will help get you through the night ...

If it helps at all, then ... let's all smile.


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willneverteachagain



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"If you send a student out of your class again we'll dock your pay."


he's not allowed to "dock" ur pay for this.

if he's going to not help u and tell u that it's up to u to deal with it, them send them out of the classroom. I kicked out kids all the time and the boss said nothing to me because if he did, i said when the kid wants to learn english, he can come back in. My kids had to stand in the staff room facing the wall holding two "kid heavy" books at shoulder height.

Sometimes the k teacher would knock on my door and ask if the kids could come back in, but if i said no, they respected my decision

if he takes pay from you for doing ur job, straight to the labor board for u
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

willneverteachagain wrote:
My kids had to stand in the staff room facing the wall holding two "kid heavy" books at shoulder height.

Not intending to dis you, but I guess I can't avoid it : considering the user name you have chosen {willneverteachagain} why should I or anyone wish to hear your opinions about how to go about the job of teaching?

Most of what you've said, I agree with, by the way ... just, you know, wondering.

Wink
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't do anything. They didn't hire a professionally trained teacher, so you shouldn't be expected to BE one. Take your time, have FUN in class. Run around with the little baaastards and yipe it up. Why not?

You need a job with adults.
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Don't do anything. They didn't hire a professionally trained teacher, so you shouldn't be expected to BE one. Take your time, have FUN in class. Run around with the little baaastards and yipe it up. Why not?

You need a job with adults.


Bad advice (not to mention downright condescending). How long will you have these students for? Once there is a change of semester, you can ask your boss to give you fresh new students; there is always a chance for a class shuffle. Then you can re-assert your authority. It is not too late for the ones you have now. There is already a lot of good advice on this board with regards to discipline, for the extraordinaly problematic, try the "Iron Chair" technique.
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dee



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In response to The Bobster and the other generous posters here.

Yes, I think I have forgotten to love. I'm frustrated and I'm sending all the wrong signals out in class. Over the last few weeks my lessons have become totally drab, boring, and unenthused. I'm bored and the kids are damn right bored. I've had job-related and other stuff going on that may have affected my behaviour, but really, I have no excuse, except that I've just dug a whole for myself and now I'm wondering if I'm up for this job. When I first started, it was great to see the kids enjoying themselves, laughing, having fun, and learning something, but I haven't felt that for a little while. That's totally down to my attitude and my teaching skills though. I know I can do better but my confidence is down - the head strong girl that came here is in hiding.

However, you may be pleased to hear that while I'm deliberating over my suitability to teaching, I'm going to really try and turn things round. I'm spending the weekend getting my 'basket of esl tricks' sorted and deciding on an appropriate method of discipline/rewards. So, into battle I go.

Thanks again for all the tips everyone.
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dee



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
If you need anymore tips, I would be more than happy to give you some more. But this should be a good starting point.
Good Luck


Thank you polonius. Actually, since your advice is the most practical here (that's not to snub anyone else, I'm grateful for all your comments!), I do have another question for you (anyone else welcome too):

So, I want to start changing things as of Monday. Trouble is, every Monday my director has scheduled me to go to 12 classes for 25 minutes each. I find this a real pain in the ass. I feel the kids don't really get much from it as the time goes so quickly.

Any ideas for how I can use my time on Monday to assert my new stance?

And to everyone else: a question about classroom games...

Several times when I've tried to introduce games things just don't go well because the kids don't understand my explanation - perhaps it's the games I've tried to use, but if they just don't get it then how can they play? So, I'm just wondering if any of you have any tips for explaining games to kids?

Is this a daft question?
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it helps, here's a thread started about 4 years ago ...

Classroom Rewards and Punishments

Smiles.
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koon_taung_daeng



Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Location: south korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea i hear you it can be hard to manage a class sometimes, you got to find that middle ground where they like you but still respect you, well anyways i thing that helps me shut my kids up is i draw a line on the board and everytime the class gets to loud i start erasing the line a little bit at a time and if i end up erasing the whole line then the kids have extra home work or no game or everyone has to stand up for the whole class, also CALL THEIR PARENTS if they piss you off to much and dont take shit from your boss he is a lazy *beep* who is making money off of you, make him earn his money or quit and work somewhere else
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order to help you properly I need to know a few specifics on the classes you will be teaching.

1- What level are the students?
2- What age are the students?
3- Are the any specific goals of the class, what are you teaching them, what are they expected to get from the class?
4- How many students in the class?
5- What is the look of the class? How are the desks set up? How much space do you have? What resources do you have available to you?

Let us know some of these, then people can help gear something fir your specific needs.
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Travelous Maximus



Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Location: Nueva Anglia

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taco Bell.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two questions:

What was your major?

How long do you plan to live in Korea?

Just being realistic. I'm tired of the schools hiring people without education degrees or training, and then expecting them to be 'professional teachers' right off the plane. If that's what you want, then recruit and pay for it.

If you don't have a degree in education, and you don't plan on being here too long, then take it easy. Let them push you, but don't stress yourself out. Get your experience slowly and enjoy your time here as much as you can.
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dee



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I majored in English Literature. Teaching (English) is not my desired career path and I only plan to stay here for a year and probably not come back unless I have a devine epiphany and decide I really love teaching.

But, that doesn't mean to say I can go by week to week knowing that I'm doing a shit job. I just can't. I'm a stress head as it is and that would just destroy me. So, I want to do something about it, and at the moment, leaving isn't an option.
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