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blahblahblah

Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: Overtime worked out per year not per month? |
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Ok - to cut quite a long story short. I looked into my contract and the hours I'm teaching and felt I was due some overtime. My contract says 110 hours per month (see below), if I do over then I'm due overtime pay. However, when I put this to my boss - it seems that overtime isn't worked out on a per month basis, but on an average of the full 12 month contract.
So maybe this month I'll do 115 hours, but last month I only did 105. During vacation times it shoots down a lot, so in theory I could be doing 120 hours a month without receiving any overtime.
Whether this averaging out logic is right or wrong - according to the wording of the contract it's wrong. Has anybody else had this problem? Is it a uniquely Korean idea to average out your hours over the year? And what's the best way to settle without anybody losing face!! Thanks for any input/advice.
Here's the relevant section of the contract:
3.2.1. The standard monthly working hours during this period will consist of up to 110 hours of classroom contact except the remaining required hours consisting of in-office duties including basic preparation of teaching. The in-office hour during the employment may vary with discretion of academic director for orientation, training and adaptation to the new working environment purposes without overtime pay paid to the employee. Normal work duties shall include 110 hours(40 mins or 50 mins each class) per month and one and half hours of in-office working each day. (*1hr=60min)
3.2.2. In the event Employee's classroom contact is less than 110 hours in a month, the Academic Director may extend Employee's in-office time.
3.2.3. Overtime pay is granted at the rate of 21,000 won per hour only when classroom teaching time exceed 110 hours per month. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Overtime worked out per year not per month? |
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| It looks like the contract is on your side. I am pretty sure the law is too, unless your contract specifically agrees to do it over the year (which it doesn't). I would fight it. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Your boss is telling you lies....he/she just doesn't want to pay
It is paid per month...what contract works out overtime for the year???? |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I've heard that line of BS from a former boss of mine. It's a lie to avoid paying OT. OT is calculated by hours taught during the month.
If they just refuse to pay you anything for teaching over 110 hours in any month, then 1) refuse to teach over 110 hours any month, and 2) file with labor for the unpaid OT. You can legally refuse to teach OT.
Save your work schedules, and pay stubs, and write down how many hours you teach each month by day and class (like a chart). If the owner says you didn't teach OT, then write a letter (signed and dated) explaing the differences between the two of you and how much you SHOULD have been paid, by the contract. Be prepared for a lengthy battle, but it's your money. You earned it. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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You signed a contract for overtime to be paid monthly, so insist on that.
Before anyone signs a contract in Korea, you should check to see that overtime is calculated WEEKLY. Using monthly, or annual computations, like the OP, is just a way of averaging off slow periods so that you lose your overtime.
Also, be sure to watch out for any wording that allows your employer to count your hours "worked" without counting the hours you would have worked on holidays. This is a sneaky way to have your holidays paid by your own overtime. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Overtime worked out per year not per month? |
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| Is it a uniquely Korean idea to average out your hours over the year? |
I know a few people that work in the fishing industry who are contracted hours on a fortnightly basis i.e the firm will guarantee their employees 80 hours a fortnight, which may mean that in the first week they only work 20 hours and, if required, will be expected to work 60 hours in the second week.
Think this is slightly similar to your problem, which could (in theory) mean that at the end of the Korean financial year you may be entitled to a bundle of dosh if you've worked over the 12 x 110 (1320) hours you're contracted for, although given what I can glean from Korean employment laws I'd imagine this to be a pretty remote prospect, but hey, what do I know.
It sounds like complete tosh. |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Like he said.Tosh.
The guy just doesn't want to pay and he'll try to factor in all manner of things-public holidays,vacation,class length et al in an effort to not pay. |
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pest1

Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Another trick Hagwon bosses pull is they claim an teaching hour should be one hour of teaching not one class of 40 or 50 minutes. So say you had 110 classes but the actually time you taught would be much less. The contract is not clear on that point. So watch out before you sign it. In public schools they count a teaching hour as one class. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| pest1 wrote: |
| Another trick Hagwon bosses pull is they claim an teaching hour should be one hour of teaching not one class of 40 or 50 minutes. So say you had 110 classes but the actually time you taught would be much less. The contract is not clear on that point. So watch out before you sign it. In public schools they count a teaching hour as one class. |
This is a very big problem for any teacher in any country, and something along the lines of what pest1 said shoudl be bolded in huge red letters the second you come onto this site  |
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