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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| And wow, BJWD, you're really in an extra anti-government mood today, aren't ya. Just finish a good book on it? |
Yes. the 6 dead Canadians did piss me off to no end. My government is an scam. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Didn't know the American judicial system hangs those deemed traitors. |
One should note, with the below that hanging was, indeed, the method of capital punishment. Bet let's not be picky: any form will do.
Put to death...
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The offender may be put to death or jailed...
Even in the 21st century, treason remains the highest crime, punishable by the highest penalty. Even in the state of Michigan, where capital punishment is outlawed, a person who commits treason may be put to death. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Of course you're correct that the Democratic candidates have many other venues to choose from. But here's my bone of contention. This debate is sponsored by the Black Caucaus, which is decidedly liberal and represents a minority block the Dems court. So it's a snub to them. Further, for the very reason that FoxNews is known to be right-leaning, it warrants their involvement. The Democratic candidates have many "friendly" venues open to them; why not participate in one that is different. Don't they have the strength of their convictions to guide them in those supposedly shark-infested waters? |
This is not a snub of the Black Caucus. Precedent has already been set with regard to Fox "News." I've heard nothing in the way of righteous indignation from them. The Black Caucus also has the right to do as it wishes. They are free to realign their debate with a news organization. I suspect they will.
Kind of you to lay down your viral attack methodology long enough to express false concern for the Black Caucus. I'm sure they are overwhelmed. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| But in this situation, I think it not smart of the Dems to pull out of this debate. Yes, I dislike fox news as much as the next non-Republican but people who have Fox as their primary news source might do well to hear the other side defended in a rational, normal way. Obama, specifically, would do very well in the snake pit. He explains policy very persuasively. |
You might be right on this, but what I can't help but wonder: what are the odds that Fox viewers would vote for a Democrat candidate if they wouldn't even change channels? |
I agree with BJWD. Swaying any voters would help. I'm sure avoiding the forum makes you look afraid to confront the issues. People on the fence could be swayed by that.
And there are Dems who watch Fox. My grandfather is a Roosevelt-Democrat and usually keeps one of his three TVs tuned to Fox News. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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This really is simple: there are several ways it MAY be interpreted, but unfortunately for you folk, they have actually stated why they are refusing to join any debate sponsored/put on by Fox: they are a despicable, lying propaganda machine lying their asses off by pretending to be news.
I agree with them: don't give them even the pretension of legitimacy unless and until they actually become a news service. It is time to start speaking plainly in the U.S.
Bush is a liar. People should say so.
He's in the pocket of the oil interests. People should say so.
Fox news is a propaganda outlet for the Neo-Con Oil Industry Cabal. People should say so.
Finally, people are. And, powerfully, they are saying it in deed rather than just rhetoric.
It is well past time. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Gee, EFLTrainer, was Clinton a liar?
As for false sympathy, perhaps I should feign being overcome with grief as Clinton did after leaving Ron Brown's funeral (caught on videotape)?
I'm no big fan of the Black Caucus primarily because it's been a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party rather than fairly trying to represent the range of black voice in America. But then trying to convince you of that would be difficult given your advanced state of rabies.
gang ah jee:
CNN International, which I watch regularly and which should be renamed CNN UK is decidedly to the left in its coverage and so too is CBSNews. I would hardly characterize either of them as centrist.
O'Reilly is much more astute than Hannity and the latter keeps recycling the same spiel. Colmes is indeed mild-mannered while Hannity is obnoxious but at least some feeble attempt was made to counterpoint. And Colmes does bring on left-leaning guests who counterpunch better than he does. The other news channels often don't even bother to do that.
And CNN claims to be the network we can trust. So they're claim to objectivity is just as much a joke. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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it's a sad state of affairs for american politics when edwards is considered liberal - okay, in U.S. he is, but that is the sad part.
statements like that make the U.S. sound about as Taliban-ish as you can possibly get without actually being the Taliban itself. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| CNN International, which I watch regularly and which should be renamed CNN UK is decidedly to the left in its coverage and so too is CBSNews. I would hardly characterize either of them as centrist. |
Well, maybe you're right. I can't help harbouring the suspicion that you'd argue that criticism of the right makes one left, however.
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| And CNN claims to be the network we can trust. So they're claim to objectivity is just as much a joke. |
Stevemcgarrett, I'm shocked. Shame. On. You. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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To my knowledge those other networks don't send out talking point memos to their staffs. Nor do they lie on a daily basis. Nor do they cut people's mics, etc.
What, just cause you say so, stevo? Try again. Back it up, boy. |
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