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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: Obama compares rappers to Imus |
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Maybe this has been discussed here before?
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FLORENCE, S.C. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) on Friday questioned the way some rappers talk about women in songs, saying the lyrics are similar to the derogatory language used by embattled radio host Don Imus.
They are "degrading their sisters. That doesn't inspire me," Obama said of some hip-hop artists when a man in a crowd of about 1,000 questioned him. The Illinois senator was responding to a question of what inspired him, and said God and civil rights activists.
"I do think we've seen a coarsening of the culture," Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press after the town hall meeting. As a constitutional lawyer, Obama said he was a free speech advocate.
"But just because you can say something doesn't mean you should say something," he said. "And I think that we have not talked enough about the harmful images and messages that are sent."
He said as a parent it was a constant struggle to reinforce his two daughters' sense of self-esteem.
"I think that all of us have become a little complicit in this kind of relaxed attitude toward some pretty offensive things," Obama said. "And I hope this prompts some self-reflection on the part of all of us." |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070414/ap_on_el_pr/on_the2008_trail_38
I am really starting to like this guy. |
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gdimension
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Obama compares rappers to Imus |
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| BJWD wrote: |
I am really starting to like this guy. |
Me, too. He sounds so...reasonable. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| I like him too. He is perhaps the most genuine candidate in a LONG time. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Before you guys jump on his bandwagon, let's wait and see if his actions speak as loud as his words. Let's see him encourage the black community to speak out against hip hopsters who cross the line of decency.
Also, he cozied up to Ludicrous, one of the most egregious offenders, last year and posed for a photo op with this street thug, so I'm not overly optimistic. But at least he's smart unlike Jackson or Sharpton or Kucinich. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Before you guys jump on his bandwagon, let's wait and see if his actions speak as loud as his words. Let's see him encourage the black community to speak out against hip hopsters who cross the line of decency.
Also, he cozied up to Ludicrous, one of the most egregious offenders, last year and posed for a photo op with this street thug, so I'm not overly optimistic. But at least he's smart unlike Jackson or Sharpton or Kucinich. |
Nah, he's gonna name Tipper Gore as his running mate. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Obama seems to have strength of character, relates to the common man, but he is also a person who built a successful career and has a certain charisma that many young people. The last charismatic leader the democrats had was William Jefferson Clinton who tried to appeal to the Conservative elements of society but he failed in the end because of his extra-marital affairs. Let us hope there are less skeletons in the closet of Obama. He is for universal health care, seems to be for corporate accountability and cultural accountability for how people behave and send messages, and he is multi-cultural and bi-racial. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Before you guys jump on his bandwagon, let's wait and see if his actions speak as loud as his words. Let's see him encourage the black community to speak out against hip hopsters who cross the line of decency.
Also, he cozied up to Ludicrous, one of the most egregious offenders, last year and posed for a photo op with this street thug, so I'm not overly optimistic. But at least he's smart unlike Jackson or Sharpton or Kucinich. |
Nah, he's gonna name Tipper Gore as his running mate. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Obama seems to have strength of character, relates to the common man, but he is also a person who built a successful career and has a certain charisma that many young people. The last charismatic leader the democrats had was William Jefferson Clinton who tried to appeal to the Conservative elements of society but he failed in the end because of his extra-marital affairs. Let us hope there are less skeletons in the closet of Obama. He is for universal health care, seems to be for corporate accountability and cultural accountability for how people behave and send messages, and he is multi-cultural and bi-racial. |
If one listened to his statements during the MoveOn Town Hall, he came across as very young. He was quite unspecific. I wasn't impressed. He doesn't have the cred in the trenches. This is one young guy who truly seems too young for the job. Rather, inexperienced. Kennedy had been around a block or two. Obama is just getting around the first or second corner, it seems.
I'd prefer one of the others at this point. The Prez after Bush has GOT to have a presence that will both command attention and respect... from the outset. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I like both him and Edwards. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm rootin for Gore.
Ultimately, I'd just like to turn on the TV at night and not see a retarded monkey taking back at me. Al Gore. The opposite of George Bush. Intelligent, experienced, articulate, friendly, liked by foreigners, patient and more. I don't even care that he is obsessed with the global warming nonsense. Better wasted money on carbon taxes than Iraq. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Osama Baraka's a smoker. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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EFLTrainer wrote:
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| He doesn't have the cred in the trenches |
That's true, but that hasn't stopped Kucinich. Anyhow, the fact that he's not a Beltway insider and seasoned liar might work in his favor.
BJWD wishlisted:
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| I'm rootin for Gore. Ultimately, I'd just like to turn on the TV at night and not see a retarded monkey taking back at me. Al Gore. The opposite of George Bush. Intelligent, experienced, articulate, friendly, liked by foreigners, patient and more. I don't even care that he is obsessed with the global warming nonsense. Better wasted money on carbon taxes than Iraq. |
You left out "arrogant" and "fat." Before the 2000 election Gore told a CBS reporter that he felt he had earned the right to be president, first talking about political experience in his family. Now if GW Bush had said the same, the liberals would be screaming. Carter, incidentally, actually told a CNN reporter on air that he felt he deserved the Nobel Prize--years before it was awarded to him. No inflated ego there.
When you say things like "retarded monkey," you lose all credibility for having your opinion considered by those who disagree. Bush isn't the sharpest pencil in the box but he's no idiot, either. Willful, loyal to friends to a fault, resolute to the point of sheer obstinance, and sometimes short-sighted, yes. At least he takes stands and doesn't take credit for plans he didn't launch like Clinton with welfare reform. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Steve, I really disagree.
This president is either criminally corrupt beyond even the wildest delusions of EFL or is very low IQ. A while back in Vanity Fair it was postulated that he is dyslexic. My own personal theory is that he is very low IQ and dyslexic.
But yes, Gore is arrogant. So am I. To be very honest, so are you! I do not think that his being an elitest or arrogant will in any way affect his leadership ability.
The best boss I have ever had, the one I have now, is arrogant beyond words. He is an arrogant, elitist bastard. He reminds me that he attended Harvard Business School almost every day (and that I did not). I hate him. But he is an excellent boss. Gore is similar, in my opinion. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: |
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BJWD wrote:
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| My own personal theory is that he is very low IQ and dyslexic. |
He is dyslexic. That was revealed in Austin when I was living there and he was governor. That's part of the reason he mixes up words. But, hey, the Democrats should be embracing his disability--at least he doesn't make it a badge of victimhood, either.
Doubt his IQ is below normal. He was a legacy admit to Yale but he got into Harvard's MBA program on his own. And you can't be a complete dolt to fly fighter jets. This is a smear tactic of EFLT's sort, don't you think?
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| But yes, Gore is arrogant. So am I. To be very honest, so are you! I do not think that his being an elitest or arrogant will in any way affect his leadership ability. |
Well, yeah, that's true. But there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Frankly, both Gore and Bush are blue-bloods and fortunate sons.
By the way, experience on the job didn't prevent JFK from running and getting elected. I don't think Gore would have done any better than Bush in the wake of 9-11--likely worse. But then if re-elected, Gore would not have taken us into Iraq. So it's a mixed bag.
My vote's still out. I'm leaning toward McCain because he's a moderate and a war veteran, and experienced. But he lacks charisma--a necessary ingredient in this age of multimedia. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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In my opinion, JM is just too old. I think he is 81? That would make him at least 82 by election time, and 90 8 years later at the time when he would certainly be done. So, his running-mate would like be the president at some point.
And he is hopelessly devoted to the war. Though I suspect we disagree on the merits of that. |
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