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Why I support the right to carry a big gun
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Why I support the right to carry a big gun Reply with quote

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A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly....

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Roanoke Times, January 31, 2006:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119687.html

If guns are outlawed...
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would have thought it'd be better for the killer to be denied a gun, than to distribute them to all.

I've always thought, if I travelled in America, I would get a gun, because I'm not prepared to travel a land of gun toting yahoos without any means of defence. Even so I would much rather that no-one had guns, instead of everyone having guns.

As for your sig BJWD...

I'm not saying this isn't a true quote, but could you provide a reasonably impartial source verifying this?

Once again, I google one of your little soundbites and get nothing but right-wing bloggers and forums repeating the same quote in lockstep.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will live in America soon, and I won't buy a gun. I will be totally safe as well. Random violent crime is wonderfully low in the US. From time to time (like the horrible events in the past days) a really horrible random act of violence scares us into thinking things are worse than they are. Add to this a violence obsessed media (why don't they just show more sex instead?? Violence good, sex bad? I don't get it) and we have a warped view of life there.

About my sig. I pulled it off of digg. It is from one of those 'right wing' sites. Brussels Journal maybe? Not sure. Maybe it is a lie. I dunno. I guess I'm due for a new one soon anyhow.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the US I got a semiauto .308 rifle. I keep it next to my bed. There are bullets in the magazine, but none in the chamber and I have the safety on. My room mate at the time served in the US army, and he had about 3 or 4 guns himself. I'll tell you one thing, if someone decided that they wanted to bust down our apartment door and try to shoot/rob/murder then they had something else coming.

When I go back to the US, I plan on buying a 12 gauge shotgun and load it with rocksalt. Kinda like you saw in Kill Bill Volume 2. It won't kill you but it'll hurt like a mofo.
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got guns in at home as well. I am safe with them but I believe its my right to defend myself.. I am Canadian
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W.T.Carl



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently have a concealed carry permit. Do I carry? Not often. Only when I go into the city. Out here where I currently live there is no need to carry-Every body owns a gun , mostly long guns. An armed society is a VERY polite society. In the city, which is the most dangerous in my state legal gun ownership is low-hense the need for the permit to carry. As for the kid who shot up Virginia Tech, it seems that he was very sick.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own several guns back home in Texas and I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon (gun).

If I were at the VT and saw this dude shooting up innocent people, I would've been the last person this dude ever saw before eating my bullet.
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when guns are outlawed only outlaws will carry guns.

I'm sure since the great countries of england and australia have outlawed guns there have been zero shootings.
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Svetlana



Joined: 22 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guns are the reason the tragedy happened in virginia. Only a real moron would advocate allowing more gun freedom. americans are total morons for allowing anyone to own a gun, and allowing people to carry with a simple permit.

Guns kill people too easily. How often have you heard of a mass knifing or mass attack with a blunt object? Guns are a cowards weapon because they can kill from a distance. Cowards are prone to these sorts of attacks. americans are cowards.
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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ain't it funny how all the poeple I expected to see on this thread supporting guns all happen to have them...
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venus



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svetlana wrote:
Guns are the reason the tragedy happened in virginia. Only a real moron would advocate allowing more gun freedom. americans are total morons for allowing anyone to own a gun, and allowing people to carry with a simple permit.

Guns kill people too easily. How often have you heard of a mass knifing or mass attack with a blunt object? Guns are a cowards weapon because they can kill from a distance. Cowards are prone to these sorts of attacks. americans are cowards.



Get lost Troll.
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blieve in arming yourself but I also believe people should be educated about them. People should be required to take a course or have a licence.

What you guys don't seem to see is that people that own guns legally are not the problem. Statistics in Canada showed that less then 1% of legal firearms were involved in a crime which were mostly in the form of stolen guns. (it was .5%) Then highest firearms abuse stat was suicide at a whoping 3%.
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Svetlana



Joined: 22 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30,000+ people die in the united states every year by guns. Another 60,000 are shot and survive.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem Wrench is not gun ownership, its the fact that special interest groups in the US have so twisted the debate and manipulated people to the point where there is almost no control whatsoever. Again, the fact that you can buy a weapon that is easily converted into an automatic weapon, or that you can buy a sniper rifle that can shoot down an airliner is disgusting. I'm not saying ban all guns, but start dealing with it in a serious way. If you need to take a course, pass a test and have a licence to drive a car, boat, plane, helicopter, use explosives, you surely should need one to own a firearm.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I own several guns back home in Texas and I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon (gun).

If I were at the VT and saw this dude shooting up innocent people, I would've been the last person this dude ever saw before eating my bullet.


I enjoy the swagger gun owners have concerning hypothetical events. Methinks they watch too many action movies.

I am an American who believes the proliferation of guns is the BIGGEST problem in my country. I believed all the NRA propaganda about guns making America safer, protecting us against the bad guys with guns. That was until I became the victim of gun violence. While in university I was working the graveyard shift at the front desk of a hotel. Two wiry crackheads, wieghing about 130 pounds apiece, rushed me at 2 am with 9mm's. They took the cash in my drawer, but when I couldn't open the safe (only the day manager had the key) they shot me twice and left me for dead.

Even if I had a gun (which I didn't), being surprised and caught unaware, I would not have been able to defend myself. To this day, what makes me angry about the circumstance was that those guns gave 2 weak, sniveling drug addicts power over me. Had they approached me unarmed or even with knives, I would have told them where to go, as they were no physical threat to me. Guns gave them power, the power of life and death.

I am not anti-hunting, as generally these are not the guns slaughtering people. But the idea that more guns makes a fearful and paranoid society safer is just insane. And the need for any sort of semi-automatic weapon outside of the military or law enforcement is ridiculous. Heck, if this young man at Virginia tech only had a 6-shooter which he had to manually reload, the catastrophe would have probably been greatly decreased or more easily stopped.
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