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tfunk
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How would you have handled it if you had been his room mate or in his class?
Because the necessary services to handle whackos aren't in place. |
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I've met a lot of people that seem like him and I'm sure there are millions of people around the world that have similar characteristics. I was full of angst, depression, low self-esteem etc. as a teenager. I don't think it's practical to refer everybody you think is sad/depressed/angry etc. to a psychologist.
One of my kids related how he smashed his gerbil against the wall and most of the other kids laughed as if it was hilarious. They all had their own amusing anecdotes about animal cruelty. IMHO (and I'd argue strongly for it) this isn't just a juvenile Korean phenomenon but a human one. |
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nonsmoker
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Terra
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What happened? He was picked on. I was picked on in elementary/ jr. high. At times I wanted to kill certain people, I hated them. I grew up and overcame that hatred and learned to forgive. Other people are not so forgiving. Other people pick up guns and kill the people who have been abusing them. If people would be nicer to people and more accepting from the get-go, there would be less killings. In life, people who are popular, and good looking, and rich, and cunning often think they can get away with anything, including picking on the less fortunate. In this case, Mr. Cho fought back against the years of perceived abuse he had suffered. We all get even in our own ways. This was his way. I will not judge Cho at all.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| In this case, Mr. Cho fought back against the years of perceived abuse he had suffered. We all get even in our own ways. This was his way. I will not judge Cho at all. |
This is the worst form of relativism I've encountered on this forum for quite some time. Of course we should judge Cho's actions as reprehensible--abominable, really. That doesn't make us any less Christian. Indeed to do otherwise would be to unwittingly encourage the all manner of inappropriate response to common social problems.
That Cho was selfish there is no doubt. That he felt entitled to act out his rage with more rage is indicative of the growing cult of victimhood in America, which I fear the most. The very fact that decades ago no one did this sort of thing despite guns being widely available says a lot. (And the UT killer in 1966 is an exception as he has been a trouble Vietnam vet). |
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Cho fought back against the years of perceived abuse he had suffered. We all get even in our own ways. This was his way. I will not judge Cho at all. |
He "got even" against 32 innocent people that had done nothing against him, had probably never seen him before, and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Surely "getting even"- should at least be directed at the guilty party? |
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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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What happened? He was picked on. I was picked on in elementary/ jr. high. At times I wanted to kill certain people, I hated them. I grew up and overcame that hatred and learned to forgive. Other people are not so forgiving. Other people pick up guns and kill the people who have been abusing them. If people would be nicer to people and more accepting from the get-go, there would be less killings. In life, people who are popular, and good looking, and rich, and cunning often think they can get away with anything, including picking on the less fortunate. In this case, Mr. Cho fought back against the years of perceived abuse he had suffered. We all get even in our own ways. This was his way. I will not judge Cho at all.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. |
As sick as it may seem, we must realize that this guy was guilty of being an individual: Those that made fun and picked on him, possibly turning a quiet, harmless individual into a killer, were totally innocent of any wrong doing, at least in their eyes.
Fact, in this information filled society, the party that openly provided enough information about himself needing help was overlooked due to his right to privacy. I think we need some legislative reform for the safety of all of us and our schools/society. If society continues to stick their heads in the sand on this problem this will happen again, it's just a matter of time because schools refuse to do anything about it. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| tfunk wrote: |
| princess wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
How would you have handled it if you had been his room mate or in his class?
Because the necessary services to handle whackos aren't in place. |
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I've met a lot of people that seem like him and I'm sure there are millions of people around the world that have similar characteristics. I was full of angst, depression, low self-esteem etc. as a teenager. I don't think it's practical to refer everybody you think is sad/depressed/angry etc. to a psychologist.
One of my kids related how he smashed his gerbil against the wall and most of the other kids laughed as if it was hilarious. They all had their own amusing anecdotes about animal cruelty. IMHO (and I'd argue strongly for it) this isn't just a juvenile Korean phenomenon but a human one. |
Kids who think that was funny, ned to be taught some manners. Some moms and dads aren't doing their jobs. Animals are precious creatures. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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What happened? He was picked on. I was picked on in elementary/ jr. high. At times I wanted to kill certain people, I hated them. I grew up and overcame that hatred and learned to forgive. Other people are not so forgiving. Other people pick up guns and kill the people who have been abusing them. If people would be nicer to people and more accepting from the get-go, there would be less killings. In life, people who are popular, and good looking, and rich, and cunning often think they can get away with anything, including picking on the less fortunate. In this case, Mr. Cho fought back against the years of perceived abuse he had suffered. We all get even in our own ways. This was his way. I will not judge Cho at all.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. |
But the people he killed never did anything to him. They were good, decent people. I saw some of their profiles on msn. They didn't even know him. |
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nonsmoker
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Terra
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| True, the people that he killed in college may not have done anything to him but the people in his childhood who did pick on him did. Those kids who picked on him turned him into a monster which grew and grew until it finally reached its boiling point. I actually blame the kids who picked on Cho for making him that way but I also blame Cho for being too weak to overcome adversity. But, to each his own. |
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