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Lonely & looking
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Demi- you HATE the US, EVERYTHING about the US, and EVERYONE who lives there. We get the point. 
BTW-If you opened your mind and actually visited the "Great Satan" to you, aka, the USA, you'd love it there and would never want to leave. |
Then why are you in South Korea if America is so great?  |
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Vicissitude
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Just saw this at the following link - note what I bolded:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1613417,00.html
When Kim Yang Soon, 85, first laid eyes on the Virginia Tech shooter while watching television in her home, a one-room apartment inside a converted greenhouse about 20 miles west of the South Korean capital Seoul, she hoped the young Asian man with "intelligent eyes" on the television screen wasn't a South Korean. But some four hours later, at about 3:00 a.m., she heard the stirrings of her younger brother, Kim Hyang Sik, 82, from the adjacent room, who let Kim know, to her everlasting horror, that the young man was in fact Korean and kin. "I can't describe my emotions," says Seung-Hui Cho's great-aunt and the matriarch of his mother's clan, who have the surname Kim. "We don't even have any divorces in our family and everyone's sons and daughters obey their parents."
Like others in her family, Kim told TIME that she did not recognize Seung-Hui's face when it appeared on television. The last time they saw him, he was just a boy of eight in 1992 and heading off for a new and hopefully better life in America with his struggling family. The immigrant family hasn't returned to Korea during the intervening fifteen years, not even for the funeral of Seung-Hui's grandmother. However, they had made a point to phone on special holidays. According to Kim Hyang Sik, in one of these calls, just last New Year, her niece Kim Hyang Im � Seung-Hui's mother � confessed to her aunt and other relatives that her son had been diagnosed in the U.S. with autism. "The doctor told her that Seung-Hui was ill and she was very worried about him. She said her daughter was doing well, though."
Kim noticed that Seung-Hui was painfully shy as a youngster in South Korea, but she had reassured his mother that he would come out of his shell sooner or later. "I told her he was just shy and had a soft personality." However, she says that other relatives were less optimistic about his shortcomings and reportedly saw his aloofness as dysfunctional and a telltale sign of a looming mental problem.
Back then, the Cho family, struggled to eke out an existence on a small income from a second-hand bookshop and rented a bleak, two-room basement apartment in a Seoul neighborhood. Relatives already living in the U.S. invited the Chos to emigrate in 1984, but it took eight long years to obtain proper visas.
Now, nearly one week after the gruesome rampage, Kim and her relations remain very distraught over the ordeal, and at a loss to understand how Seung-Hui could have committed such an atrocity, bringing so much shame to his family. "In our family the children don't insult their parents," says Kim whose well-groomed family burial ground sits on a low rise at the back of her property and is visible from her front door. "I don't know how he could do this to his parents. I also feel terrible for the victim's families."
The plain-spoken octogenarian, who managed a motel until her late '70s, is relieved that rumors of suicide by Seung-Hui's parents proved false. All the same, she doesn't think it would be advisable for the family, who have maintained their Korean citizenship, to return to their native land in the wake of this horrible tragedy. "It would it would be too difficult for them if they returned here as this is a small country and Koreans are very gossipy," she says matter-of-factly. "We wouldn't let them return and would even try and block them if they tried."
While Kim's family has not been harassed since the tragedy, neighbors haven't exactly gone out of their way to console the shame-ridden family. "We didn't want them to know, but then they found out," she says. And with almost a sigh of relief, the diminutive Kim adds, "After killing so many people, it is good he committed suicide." |
If an octogenarian at 85 years old (a distant relative no less) can offer her heartfelt sympathy and regret, then why NOT Cho's own parents?
So the parents are waiting for people to bring them their pity, sympathy, flowers, cards etc? That's as backward and sick as it gets. If people are harassing them, that�s too bad.
The octogenarian can remember Japanese brutality, WW2, America's life-saving aid to S. Korea, the Korean War and consistent military protection. All of this happened while most of the world sat and watched without much concern either way as to what happened to the starving people of S. Korea. Octogenarians think well of Americans based on their historical experiences with them. I can remember meeting a few of these ladies and they were incredibly nice to me. One lady offered me, a perfect stranger, to come to her home for a meal. No other Korean was so nice as to offer me a home cooked meal at their home after I just met them (on the subway).
Cho's parents have no recollection of how much the octogenarians experienced. These two generations are very very different. Cho's parents come from a generation full of resentment towards foreigners, Americans especially. This is why I think they are keeping quiet.... they are full of self pity, resentment (very possibly) and perhaps a bit of hatred as well. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
Demi- you HATE the US, EVERYTHING about the US, and EVERYONE who lives there. We get the point.
BTW-If you opened your mind and actually visited the "Great Satan" to you, aka, the USA, you'd love it there and would never want to leave. |
Then why are you in South Korea if America is so great? |
Maybe he likes to travel and see new places while making some coin. Doesn't mean he is mistaken.
:lol :roll : stfu: |
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flint
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Just saw this at the following link - note what I bolded:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1613417,00.html
When Kim Yang Soon, 85, first laid eyes on the Virginia Tech shooter while watching television in her home, a one-room apartment inside a converted greenhouse about 20 miles west of the South Korean capital Seoul, she hoped the young Asian man with "intelligent eyes" on the television screen wasn't a South Korean. But some four hours later, at about 3:00 a.m., she heard the stirrings of her younger brother, Kim Hyang Sik, 82, from the adjacent room, who let Kim know, to her everlasting horror, that the young man was in fact Korean and kin. "I can't describe my emotions," says Seung-Hui Cho's great-aunt and the matriarch of his mother's clan, who have the surname Kim. "We don't even have any divorces in our family and everyone's sons and daughters obey their parents."
Like others in her family, Kim told TIME that she did not recognize Seung-Hui's face when it appeared on television. The last time they saw him, he was just a boy of eight in 1992 and heading off for a new and hopefully better life in America with his struggling family. The immigrant family hasn't returned to Korea during the intervening fifteen years, not even for the funeral of Seung-Hui's grandmother. However, they had made a point to phone on special holidays. According to Kim Hyang Sik, in one of these calls, just last New Year, her niece Kim Hyang Im � Seung-Hui's mother � confessed to her aunt and other relatives that her son had been diagnosed in the U.S. with autism. "The doctor told her that Seung-Hui was ill and she was very worried about him. She said her daughter was doing well, though."
Kim noticed that Seung-Hui was painfully shy as a youngster in South Korea, but she had reassured his mother that he would come out of his shell sooner or later. "I told her he was just shy and had a soft personality." However, she says that other relatives were less optimistic about his shortcomings and reportedly saw his aloofness as dysfunctional and a telltale sign of a looming mental problem.
Back then, the Cho family, struggled to eke out an existence on a small income from a second-hand bookshop and rented a bleak, two-room basement apartment in a Seoul neighborhood. Relatives already living in the U.S. invited the Chos to emigrate in 1984, but it took eight long years to obtain proper visas.
Now, nearly one week after the gruesome rampage, Kim and her relations remain very distraught over the ordeal, and at a loss to understand how Seung-Hui could have committed such an atrocity, bringing so much shame to his family. "In our family the children don't insult their parents," says Kim whose well-groomed family burial ground sits on a low rise at the back of her property and is visible from her front door. "I don't know how he could do this to his parents. I also feel terrible for the victim's families."
The plain-spoken octogenarian, who managed a motel until her late '70s, is relieved that rumors of suicide by Seung-Hui's parents proved false. All the same, she doesn't think it would be advisable for the family, who have maintained their Korean citizenship, to return to their native land in the wake of this horrible tragedy. "It would it would be too difficult for them if they returned here as this is a small country and Koreans are very gossipy," she says matter-of-factly. "We wouldn't let them return and would even try and block them if they tried."
While Kim's family has not been harassed since the tragedy, neighbors haven't exactly gone out of their way to console the shame-ridden family. "We didn't want them to know, but then they found out," she says. And with almost a sigh of relief, the diminutive Kim adds, "After killing so many people, it is good he committed suicide." |
If an octogenarian at 85 years old (a distant relative no less) can offer her heartfelt sympathy and regret, then why NOT Cho's own parents?
So the parents are waiting for people to bring them their pity, sympathy, flowers, cards etc? That's as backward and sick as it gets. If people are harassing them, that�s too bad.
The octogenarian can remember Japanese brutality, WW2, America's life-saving aid to S. Korea, the Korean War and consistent military protection. All of this happened while most of the world sat and watched without much concern either way as to what happened to the starving people of S. Korea. Octogenarians think well of Americans based on their historical experiences with them. I can remember meeting a few of these ladies and they were incredibly nice to me. One lady offered me, a perfect stranger, to come to her home for a meal. No other Korean was so nice as to offer me a home cooked meal at their home after I just met them (on the subway).
Cho's parents have no recollection of how much the octogenarians experienced. These two generations are very very different. Cho's parents come from a generation full of resentment towards foreigners, Americans especially. This is why I think they are keeping quiet.... they are full of self pity, resentment (very possibly) and perhaps a bit of hatred as well. |
Heartfelt sympathy and regret? Reading that it sounds like the regret is more because he is family, a Korean, and how it affects them. The shame it brings to them.
"I don't know how he could do this to his parents. I also feel terrible for the victim's families."
How could he do this to his parents? Oh yeah and l feel bad for the families of those he murdered. That is heartfelt sympathy and regret?
Or was that supposed to be show in other comments like;
Now, nearly one week after the gruesome rampage, Kim and her relations remain very distraught over the ordeal, and at a loss to understand how Seung-Hui could have committed such an atrocity, bringing so much shame to his family.
"We wouldn't let them return and would even try and block them if they tried."
"After killing so many people, it is good he committed suicide."
Seriously, I don't see this heartfelt sympathy you go on about. Nor do I see anything to say the Cho's are waiting for people to bring them their pity. If this is how their family acts/feels what pity do you think they expect from strangers? They certainly wouldn' be expecting any from family. |
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flint
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If an octogenarian at 85 years old (a distant relative no less) can offer her heartfelt sympathy and regret, then why NOT Cho's own parents?
So the parents are waiting for people to bring them their pity, sympathy, flowers, cards etc? That's as backward and sick as it gets. If people are harassing them, that�s too bad.
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FYI according to an AP report on April 20th, 4 days after the killings and 5 days before you castigate them for not expressing any regret or sympathy, the Cho family released a statement through their daughter expressing of all things sympathy and regret.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
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Va. gunman's family feels hopeless, lost By ALLEN G. BREED and AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer
Fri Apr 20, 7:41 PM ET
BLACKSBURG, Va. - The family of Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho told The Associated Press on Friday that they feel "hopeless, helpless and lost," and "never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence."
"He has made the world weep. We are living a nightmare," said a statement issued by Cho's sister, Sun-Kyung Cho, on the family's behalf.
It was the Chos' first public comment since the 23-year-old student killed 32 people and committed suicide Monday in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
Raleigh, N.C., lawyer Wade Smith provided the statement to the AP after the Cho family reached out to him. Smith said the family would not answer any questions, and neither would he.
"Our family is so very sorry for my brother's unspeakable actions. It is a terrible tragedy for all of us," said Sun-Kyung Cho, a 2004 Princeton University graduate who works as a contractor for a State Department office that oversees American aid for Iraq.
"We pray for their families and loved ones who are experiencing so much excruciating grief. And we pray for those who were injured and for those whose lives are changed forever because of what they witnessed and experienced," she said. "Each of these people had so much love, talent and gifts to offer, and their lives were cut short by a horrible and senseless act."
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The article is long and I didn't repost all of it, I would suggest following the link and reading it all. There you will find comments such as;
Wendy Adams, whose niece, Leslie Sherman, was killed in the massacre, said of the family's statement: "I'm not so generous to be able to forgive him for what he did. But I do feel for the family. I do feel sorry for them."
"I do believe they're living a nightmare," she added.
"Based on this sorrowful statement, it is apparent that the family grieves with everyone in the world," Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said.
But hey, according to you they showed no regret or sympathy.
It took me longer to write and rewrite this post than it did to find it on google after my previous post. It may have taken a whole 5 seconds to find it.
It is easy to want to lash out at someone, anyone over a senseless crime like this. I wish there was some way to punish Cho for what he did. It is a natural desire. Especially when people feel impotent to do anything. When there is nothing they can do. But make sure the person/people you go after really deserve it. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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Got this email (In my university inbox - I'm taking an online course) from my university today:
To: Students, faculty and staff of the USF community
We want to inform the university community about an incident that took place
early this morning, in the parking lot of the USF Police Department.
At 3:58 a.m., USF Police discovered a 47-year-old man sleeping in his car with a
.38 caliber handgun on the seat next to him. The man, not affiliated with USF,
was arrested for possession of a firearm on school property. A further search of
the vehicle produced a shotgun and a knife.
At no point were any students, faculty or staff endangered, and thanks to the
fast action and professionalism of USF Police, the situation was resolved as
soon as it was discovered. For further details review the press release issued
by the USF Tampa campus police department at
http://usfweb3.usf.edu/absolutenm/templates/?a=189&z=14
The incident highlights the ongoing importance of awareness regarding on-campus
safety issues. It is also a reminder of the need for the USF community to take
advantage of such personal safety measures as the MoBull emergency alert system.
For quick and easy sign-up, simply go to www.mobull.usf.edu
**What was he thinking? Freak! (Maybe he fell asleep while debating whether or not he was going to go postal? Dunno) |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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If an octogenarian at 85 years old (a distant relative no less) can offer her heartfelt sympathy and regret, then why NOT Cho's own parents?
So the parents are waiting for people to bring them their pity, sympathy, flowers, cards etc? That's as backward and sick as it gets. If people are harassing them, that�s too bad.
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FYI according to an AP report on April 20th, 4 days after the killings and 5 days before you castigate them for not expressing any regret or sympathy, the Cho family released a statement through their daughter expressing of all things sympathy and regret.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
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Va. gunman's family feels hopeless, lost By ALLEN G. BREED and AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer
Fri Apr 20, 7:41 PM ET
BLACKSBURG, Va. - The family of Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho told The Associated Press on Friday that they feel "hopeless, helpless and lost," and "never could have envisioned that he was capable of so much violence."
"He has made the world weep. We are living a nightmare," said a statement issued by Cho's sister, Sun-Kyung Cho, on the family's behalf.
It was the Chos' first public comment since the 23-year-old student killed 32 people and committed suicide Monday in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
Raleigh, N.C., lawyer Wade Smith provided the statement to the AP after the Cho family reached out to him. Smith said the family would not answer any questions, and neither would he.
"Our family is so very sorry for my brother's unspeakable actions. It is a terrible tragedy for all of us," said Sun-Kyung Cho, a 2004 Princeton University graduate who works as a contractor for a State Department office that oversees American aid for Iraq.
"We pray for their families and loved ones who are experiencing so much excruciating grief. And we pray for those who were injured and for those whose lives are changed forever because of what they witnessed and experienced," she said. "Each of these people had so much love, talent and gifts to offer, and their lives were cut short by a horrible and senseless act."
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The article is long and I didn't repost all of it, I would suggest following the link and reading it all. There you will find comments such as;
Wendy Adams, whose niece, Leslie Sherman, was killed in the massacre, said of the family's statement: "I'm not so generous to be able to forgive him for what he did. But I do feel for the family. I do feel sorry for them."
"I do believe they're living a nightmare," she added.
"Based on this sorrowful statement, it is apparent that the family grieves with everyone in the world," Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said.
But hey, according to you they showed no regret or sympathy.
It took me longer to write and rewrite this post than it did to find it on google after my previous post. It may have taken a whole 5 seconds to find it.
It is easy to want to lash out at someone, anyone over a senseless crime like this. I wish there was some way to punish Cho for what he did. It is a natural desire. Especially when people feel impotent to do anything. When there is nothing they can do. But make sure the person/people you go after really deserve it. |
I've already read that article. As others here have already pointed out, this was never written by the parents and it seems very canned. The parents have never come forth with any public appearance nor made any personal efforts to contact the victims still recovering or family members of those who died. No one has spoke about any phone calls they've made to anyone other than their own personal family members and lawyers. That tells me a LOT! You are giving those parents credit for a press release?! How much do you want to bet the parents are considering monetary offers from the media for interviews with the likes 60 minutes, 20/20 etc.? Bet me? They get rich on interviews, books deals, feel sorry for us speeches etc. That's the way it works in America when these things happen - the wrong people get rich. Sick and disgusting, but true. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Just saw this at the following link - note what I bolded:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1613417,00.html
When Kim Yang Soon, 85, first laid eyes on the Virginia Tech shooter while watching television in her home, a one-room apartment inside a converted greenhouse about 20 miles west of the South Korean capital Seoul, she hoped the young Asian man with "intelligent eyes" on the television screen wasn't a South Korean. But some four hours later, at about 3:00 a.m., she heard the stirrings of her younger brother, Kim Hyang Sik, 82, from the adjacent room, who let Kim know, to her everlasting horror, that the young man was in fact Korean and kin. "I can't describe my emotions," says Seung-Hui Cho's great-aunt and the matriarch of his mother's clan, who have the surname Kim. "We don't even have any divorces in our family and everyone's sons and daughters obey their parents."
Like others in her family, Kim told TIME that she did not recognize Seung-Hui's face when it appeared on television. The last time they saw him, he was just a boy of eight in 1992 and heading off for a new and hopefully better life in America with his struggling family. The immigrant family hasn't returned to Korea during the intervening fifteen years, not even for the funeral of Seung-Hui's grandmother. However, they had made a point to phone on special holidays. According to Kim Hyang Sik, in one of these calls, just last New Year, her niece Kim Hyang Im � Seung-Hui's mother � confessed to her aunt and other relatives that her son had been diagnosed in the U.S. with autism. "The doctor told her that Seung-Hui was ill and she was very worried about him. She said her daughter was doing well, though."
Kim noticed that Seung-Hui was painfully shy as a youngster in South Korea, but she had reassured his mother that he would come out of his shell sooner or later. "I told her he was just shy and had a soft personality." However, she says that other relatives were less optimistic about his shortcomings and reportedly saw his aloofness as dysfunctional and a telltale sign of a looming mental problem.
Back then, the Cho family, struggled to eke out an existence on a small income from a second-hand bookshop and rented a bleak, two-room basement apartment in a Seoul neighborhood. Relatives already living in the U.S. invited the Chos to emigrate in 1984, but it took eight long years to obtain proper visas.
Now, nearly one week after the gruesome rampage, Kim and her relations remain very distraught over the ordeal, and at a loss to understand how Seung-Hui could have committed such an atrocity, bringing so much shame to his family. "In our family the children don't insult their parents," says Kim whose well-groomed family burial ground sits on a low rise at the back of her property and is visible from her front door. "I don't know how he could do this to his parents. I also feel terrible for the victim's families."
The plain-spoken octogenarian, who managed a motel until her late '70s, is relieved that rumors of suicide by Seung-Hui's parents proved false. All the same, she doesn't think it would be advisable for the family, who have maintained their Korean citizenship, to return to their native land in the wake of this horrible tragedy. "It would it would be too difficult for them if they returned here as this is a small country and Koreans are very gossipy," she says matter-of-factly. "We wouldn't let them return and would even try and block them if they tried."
While Kim's family has not been harassed since the tragedy, neighbors haven't exactly gone out of their way to console the shame-ridden family. "We didn't want them to know, but then they found out," she says. And with almost a sigh of relief, the diminutive Kim adds, "After killing so many people, it is good he committed suicide." |
If an octogenarian at 85 years old (a distant relative no less) can offer her heartfelt sympathy and regret, then why NOT Cho's own parents?
So the parents are waiting for people to bring them their pity, sympathy, flowers, cards etc? That's as backward and sick as it gets. If people are harassing them, that�s too bad.
The octogenarian can remember Japanese brutality, WW2, America's life-saving aid to S. Korea, the Korean War and consistent military protection. All of this happened while most of the world sat and watched without much concern either way as to what happened to the starving people of S. Korea. Octogenarians think well of Americans based on their historical experiences with them. I can remember meeting a few of these ladies and they were incredibly nice to me. One lady offered me, a perfect stranger, to come to her home for a meal. No other Korean was so nice as to offer me a home cooked meal at their home after I just met them (on the subway).
Cho's parents have no recollection of how much the octogenarians experienced. These two generations are very very different. Cho's parents come from a generation full of resentment towards foreigners, Americans especially. This is why I think they are keeping quiet.... they are full of self pity, resentment (very possibly) and perhaps a bit of hatred as well. |
Heartfelt sympathy and regret? Reading that it sounds like the regret is more because he is family, a Korean, and how it affects them. The shame it brings to them.
"I don't know how he could do this to his parents. I also feel terrible for the victim's families."
How could he do this to his parents? Oh yeah and l feel bad for the families of those he murdered. That is heartfelt sympathy and regret?
Or was that supposed to be show in other comments like;
Now, nearly one week after the gruesome rampage, Kim and her relations remain very distraught over the ordeal, and at a loss to understand how Seung-Hui could have committed such an atrocity, bringing so much shame to his family.
"We wouldn't let them return and would even try and block them if they tried."
"After killing so many people, it is good he committed suicide."
Seriously, I don't see this heartfelt sympathy you go on about. Nor do I see anything to say the Cho's are waiting for people to bring them their pity. If this is how their family acts/feels what pity do you think they expect from strangers? They certainly wouldn' be expecting any from family. |
Fair enough. |
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nateium
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well that was a totally friggin useless post
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Well I did. Please feel free to correct me if I made a mistake. I didn't look at any country other than Canada and USA (since that is what has gotten all the wingnuts out of shape).
According to your website, since 1996 there have been:
73 school shooting deaths in the US 73*1= 73
3 school shooting deaths in Canada 3*10 = 30
So no you are not safer in US schools. And these numbers don't even take into account drug/crime related gun acts in schools. Those numbers in inner-city America, I would assume, must be crazy.
IMPORTANT POINT FOR THE WINGNUTS:
More important than numbers is how school shootings affect and effect the two different countries.
After the Montreal massacre Canada and Canadians made an important mental change. We decided that we cared more about people's lives than guns (and any perceived rights we may have had to them). We changed our laws from stalking to gun control to gun registers to stiffer penalties for gun crimes. The modern security to be found in most western (yes America too) university dorm's is a DIRECT result of the Montreal Massacre and the resulting rethink we as a nation had about how we deal with this type of crime.
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your numers totally exclude the montreal shooting (+18 that puts the Canadian average well over the American one. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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well that was a totally friggin useless post
Hite
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Well I did. Please feel free to correct me if I made a mistake. I didn't look at any country other than Canada and USA (since that is what has gotten all the wingnuts out of shape).
According to your website, since 1996 there have been:
73 school shooting deaths in the US 73*1= 73
3 school shooting deaths in Canada 3*10 = 30
So no you are not safer in US schools. And these numbers don't even take into account drug/crime related gun acts in schools. Those numbers in inner-city America, I would assume, must be crazy.
IMPORTANT POINT FOR THE WINGNUTS:
More important than numbers is how school shootings affect and effect the two different countries.
After the Montreal massacre Canada and Canadians made an important mental change. We decided that we cared more about people's lives than guns (and any perceived rights we may have had to them). We changed our laws from stalking to gun control to gun registers to stiffer penalties for gun crimes. The modern security to be found in most western (yes America too) university dorm's is a DIRECT result of the Montreal Massacre and the resulting rethink we as a nation had about how we deal with this type of crime.
your numers totally exclude the montreal shooting (+18 that puts the Canadian average well over the American one. |
See, now you are not reading. I did the numbers from 1996 for both countries because numbers before that are too sketchy and patchy. If you want to go back to Montreal (1989) then you have to get reliable numbers for the US as well. And we don't even have the number of school shootings involving single deaths over drugs and gangs. So you have no idea what you are talking about and Canadian schools are still safer. |
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nateium
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What with the Canadian flaggots? Get over yourselves. Nobody in the world really cares...in Latin America your still a gingo, in Europe they seem dumbfounded by those flags on your backpacks, in Africa your probably just white, and in Asia your a "westerner." What's more is that there is no substancial economic, cultural, social, or criminal difference between Canada and northern US states. It's as if anti-americanism is part of the Canadian identity/national inferiority complex.
Sure there is a correlation between gun laws and gun violence. It seems likely it may even be one contributing factor in a mass of inseparable variables. There is also a well documented correlation between violence and warmer weather!
Who can definitively separate and determine that the difference between the US and a place like Canada is violent american "gun culture?" It's just an opinion with no evidence. Would Canada be any different if it was as populated and diverse as the US is overall?
This shooting case defies cultural influence; he was mentally ill his entire life.
I can understand the need for other anglos on this board to distance themselves from "America" due to the action of the American government, but give it a rest! Your not that different! I'm usually not slow to point out to people I'm from Massachusetts; a place where health insurance in mandatory, 96 percent of the people never supported Bush, we have strict gun laws, and full gay marriage. We even have hockey, maple syrup, moose, and a low crime rate. As for Tim Hortons...I've been to one and you can shove it. |
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Vicissitude
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What with the Canadian flaggots? Get over yourselves. Nobody in the world really cares...in Latin America your still a gingo, in Europe they seem dumbfounded by those flags on your backpacks, in Africa your probably just white, and in Asia your a "westerner." What's more is that there is no substancial economic, cultural, social, or criminal difference between Canada and northern US states. It's as if anti-americanism is part of the Canadian identity/national inferiority complex.
Sure there is a correlation between gun laws and gun violence. It seems likely it may even be one contributing factor in a mass of inseparable variables. There is also a well documented correlation between violence and warmer weather!
Who can definitively separate and determine that the difference between the US and a place like Canada is violent american "gun culture?" It's just an opinion with no evidence. Would Canada be any different if it was as populated and diverse as the US is overall?
This shooting case defies cultural influence; he was mentally ill his entire life.
I can understand the need for other anglos on this board to distance themselves from "America" due to the action of the American government, but give it a rest! Your not that different! I'm usually not slow to point out to people I'm from Massachusetts; a place where health insurance in mandatory, 96 percent of the people never supported Bush, we have strict gun laws, and full gay marriage. We even have hockey, maple syrup, moose, and a low crime rate. As for Tim Hortons...I've been to one and you can shove it. |
This was a good post. I would like to add that I come from a city that is connected to Canada by a narrow river. It takes a matter of three minutes to cross this river by car and maybe all of fifteen minutes to cross by boat. Yet, people want to think we are so much different regardless of the geography? The only thing that makes us any different is the unfounded hatred and indifference that so many Canadians feel towards America/Americans. We don't feel this way towards Canadians. We don't feel this way towards Koreans. So why do they express so much negativity towards us? This board is littered with anti-American propaganda. It's amazing how most Americans are so oblivious to the fact that those we consider to be our closest allies are really the ones who hate us the most. I know for a fact that a larger percent of the people in the Middle East don't generally hate Americans as much as the Canadians and Koreans. This shooting and subsequent flaming against America by Canadians (adding insult to injury) is my evidence. No one in the Middle East is flaming America like this or criticizing/blaming the �gun culture� for this incident.
There are Canadians with guns too. Every single time someone is shot in Canada, should the whole world run around blaming the �gun culture� of Canada? There are tens of thousands of Canadians running around Canada with guns they would not ever consider parting with because they love/need them for whatever reason. Guns are a big huge part of Canadian culture too, don�t forget.
Oh, just for the record, no-one in my immediate or extended family going as far back as my great grand parents has ever owned a gun. So, not all Americans are part of the "gun culture." My family hates guns and they would like to see them completely banned. |
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The Lemon
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| So why do they express so much negativity towards us? This board is littered with anti-American propaganda. |
No, it's not. (and here's hoping you're not confusing "criticism of the Bush administration" with "anti-American", a common message board error.)
Anti-Canadian posts, well, they're not so hard to find around here, like those from people who prattle on about coffee shops in threads about tragic mass-murders of young, innocent lives. |
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Vicissitude
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| So why do they express so much negativity towards us? This board is littered with anti-American propaganda. |
No, it's not. (and here's hoping you're not confusing "" with "anti-American", a common message board error.)
Anti-Canadian posts, well, they're not so hard to find around here, like those from people who prattle on about coffee shops in threads about tragic mass-murders of young, innocent lives. |
You must not be paying much attention then if you think there isn't anti-americanisms on this board (in the wake of the V-Tech. shooting). You haven't seen all the posts by demi? Scroll up and throughout the current events forum. No, I'm not talking about "'criticism of the Bush administration.'" For the record, Americans (especially democrats) happen to be thee most critical. Your post expresses your ignorance in this matter.
You are getting a little defensive. I wonder why. I certainly didn't read any post where someone went on and on about coffee shops in such threads as these. |
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Vicissitude
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| So why do they express so much negativity towards us? This board is littered with anti-American propaganda. |
No, it's not. (and here's hoping you're not confusing "criticism of the Bush administration" with "anti-American", a common message board error.)
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I suppose you ignore all the posts with titles like this one:
"Americans are killers and morons and rapists... eat too much"
It was posted on Saturday and here it is Tuesday. Still it is not taken down. There's more Anti-American posts on here in the wake of the V-Tech shootings than I care to bring to your fucking attention. |
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