Korean Job Discussion Forums

[jinju]

The star quarterback and head cheerleader. This may be a movie cliche, but is it really? From business to science to sports to art, it seems like its the men doing and the women watching and supporting. It seems infact that a woman will ride a man better than a rodeo star rides a bull. Not only does she hang on to him longer, the man doesnt take half of what the bull has at the end. Now, yes, there are exceptions, but even those exceptions provide support to my thesis in this post. Take the most visible woman today, Hillary Clinton. I doubt she could be a senator, much less a presidential candidate if she didnt ride Bill to the bitter end. He flung her into the position she is in now. If her name was Hillary Roddham...no one would give a flying duck about her.

So, are men fundamentally The Doers, and women The Watchers? Do a few women who make it, even some in UPPER MANAGEMENT, somehow disprove my thesis even in the face of overwhelming support?

[Natalia]

Wow, you really hate women don't you?




We're sheep. We're too vain. We're not vain enough.........


We get it. Why do you need to keep making these threads?

[jinju]

[Scouse Mouse]

[Junior]

I'd like to see more women in positions of authority and power, particularly in Korea.

I've always viewed women as equals. Its only traditional societal structures that have kept women down and allowed men to physically intimidate them into subsevience.

[JMO]

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=85003&highlight=tossers

[jinju]

[swetepete]

I disagree.
1) Women pump out the babies.
2) Virginia Woolf is not famous because of her husband.
3) Annie Liebowitz needed no man.
4) Lindsay Lohan does whoever she wants.
5) Frieda Kahlo was a much better painter than Diego Rivera.
6) Margaret Thatcher.
7) Catherine the Great.
8 ) The Dowager Empress in China during the Boxer Rebellion.
9) Elizabeth I.
10) "Though Queen Bodacea is long dead and gone, her spirit, in her children's children's children, lives on." (--Pete 'crackhead' Doherty)

So, yeah, I disagree. I think historically, and in many contemporary societies, women were pummeled into a spectator's role, but plenty rose above it. I'm glad as hell women are, in many countries at least, out from under that yoke, at least somewhat.

[blaseblasphemener]

I think a million or so years of humanity shouldn't be so easily discounted. Men have ruled the roost, and women have cared for children and the home for 99.99 percent of man's history, and this is still predominately true in nearly every country in the world.

Biology is what we are. For men, it's about sex. For women, it's about feeling loved, desired, and protected. Everything else is interesting but at the end of the day, those are the things we need.

Good luck beating biology...

[flakfizer]

Here in Korea, when I go to my bank or the post office or many other businesses, it seems that women doing while the man are watching (or chatting with other men or falling asleep).

[Tarmangani]

I for one like to watch what women do.

[happeningthang]

There's just too many examples for anyone to take this proposition seriously.

Isn't this the sort of idea that was last seen on a black and white TV?

[jinju]

[happeningthang]

Yeh, yeh, but it's a bit simple to say women are "watching". Even if there's a large majority of women acting as homemakers they're still 'doing' something.

They guy who said biology is a factor has a point. There are different roles required in a family, and if women take the private or home role it's making a contribution, that, by your argument, the men 'watch'.

It's not "exceptions to the rules" that have changed since the 50s just the paradigm that you're employing.

Oh..

and Pandas ROCK!!

[huffdaddy]