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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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are the Germans ready to defend (non-tribal) freedom for ...the Japanese??....the Persians?.... the Indians??
wake up kids....it's America or the highway.....
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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and if you hate America....
don't worry...we are busy securing the planet...
so that freedom......lives. You are very much Welcome. feel free to move about the planet...and when you get a bit fussed, try to blame Canada for a change... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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'Only in America'? Gunning Down a Claim
By Steve Stanek : 20 Apr 2007
In response to the horrible mass shooting at Virginia Tech on Monday, overseas leaders as well as many Americans have condemned the "gun culture" of the United States. Perhaps these overseas leaders and American citizens would be less hard on our country if we discuss what has been happening in other countries.
Major news outlets reported on April 18 about the shooting deaths of at least 19 gang members in Rio de Janeiro by rival gangs and police. These shootouts occurred despite Brazil's strict gun control laws.
Also in Wednesday's newspapers are reports about Tuesday's shooting death of the mayor of Nagasaki, Japan. Japan has some of the strictest anti-gun laws in the industrialized world.
In Scotland authorities are enacting knife control policies because violent crime has continued to climb (with knives as a weapon of choice) in the wake of the nation's gun bans. Should Americans speak contemptuously of Scotland's "blade and booze" culture?
Last November in Emsdetten, Germany, a teenager shot and wounded more than a dozen persons before killing himself. In 2002 in a school in Erfurt, Germany, a gunman killed 17 people and himself.
Five years ago I did research for an article on mass shootings. Here are a few of the headlines I came across:
"8 slain at council meeting"
"Teen wounds 5 in tech school"
"Suspected gang shooting leaves 4 dead, 2 injured"
"Man kills ex-bosses, principal, himself"
"Gunman kills self, 7 others"
The incidents these headlines describe occurred in France, the Netherlands, Japan, Germany and Italy, respectively. In the five years since that research, crime rates have continued to climb in many other countries with far stricter gun control laws than those in the United States.
In 1996 in Port Arthur, Australia, a crazed man shot and killed more than 30 people. After learning of the mass shooting at Virginia Tech, Australian Prime Minister John Howard told reporters this about his nation's response to the Port Arthur horror: "We took action to limit the availability of guns and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country."
Prime Minister Howard neglected to say anything about the "culture" in Australia that prompted a man to commit a mass shooting. He also neglected to mention Australian government figures that show five years after the Port Arthur-inspired gun crackdowns, homicides had climbed 3.2 percent, assaults had gone up 8.6 percent, and, astoundingly, armed robberies had soared 45 percent. Crime rates remain high in Australia despite the confiscation of hundreds of thousands of firearms, and gun bans.
On September 28, 2001, in peaceful Switzerland, a man shot and killed 14 people, including 11 members of a local canton council.
In the 2002 presidential election in France, many political observers cited soaring crime as the Number 1 issue. Nationwide strikes by thousands of France's police officers a few months before the election heightened the issue. The strikes came in response to what police said are growing dangers from gun-wielding criminals. They had strong evidence to cite, including the recent shooting deaths of two police officers during an armed robbery in a Paris suburb.
I've heard people say "only in America" in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings. Clearly, though, it's not only in America. Terrible incidents like these have occurred and are occurring in countries across the world, including countries that severely restrict or ban the private ownership of firearms, and countries with a reputation of peace and harmony.
Steve Stanek is a freelance writer and editor in McHenry, Ill., and research fellow at The Heartland Institute in Chicago. |
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=041907D |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Sigh. BJWD, you are in denial. While homicide involving guns does take place in the countries your article highlights, per capita, it is still not at the levels seen in the US. The US has a cultural disposition for gun homicide. Here is an article that contests your argument: http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/international.html Check out the table and compare the stats from the countries mentioned in your article to those given for the US.
And from here: http://www.lcav.org/library/op_eds/9.22.2006_op-ed.pdf
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According to the FBI, the U.S. homicide rate in 2004 was 5.5 per 100,000. In the same year, the homicide rate in Canada, in contrast, was 2.0 (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics); in Australia and England/Wales it was 1.5 (Australian Bureau of Statistics, U.K. Research Development and Statistics Directorate). Thus, the homicide rate in the U.S. is many times
higher than in these countries,
According to "The Global Gun Epidemic: From Saturday Night Specials to AK-47s" (2006), the 2001/2002 rates of firearm death per 100,000 for the countries in question are as follows:
U.S.: 10.27;
Canada: 2.6;
Australia: 1.68;
and England/Wales: 0.38. |
It is worrying though, that gun violence seems to be on the increase in countries where these crimes were once relatively rare. Gang warfare seems to seeping into urban British culture, and it looks like it's here to stay. I'm not sure there's much that can be done about it.  |
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demi
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| "Are USA citizens inherently immoral... |
....and stupid."
yes |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Like your trollacious title Refugee.  |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Big_Bird"]
And from here: http://www.lcav.org/library/op_eds/9.22.2006_op-ed.pdf
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According to the FBI, the U.S. homicide rate in 2004 was 5.5 per 100,000. In the same year, the homicide rate in Canada, in contrast, was 2.0 (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics); in Australia and England/Wales it was 1.5 (Australian Bureau of Statistics, U.K. Research Development and Statistics Directorate).
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If you want to get into FBI stats, you have to deal with the fact that most USA homicides are committed by Blacks.
If you want to get into this issue, and talk about the fact that there are far fewer Blacks in the other countries,
you will probably fall in the category of racism.
We don't wish to get into that, do we? I don't. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| cosmo wrote: |
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And from here: http://www.lcav.org/library/op_eds/9.22.2006_op-ed.pdf
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According to the FBI, the U.S. homicide rate in 2004 was 5.5 per 100,000. In the same year, the homicide rate in Canada, in contrast, was 2.0 (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics); in Australia and England/Wales it was 1.5 (Australian Bureau of Statistics, U.K. Research Development and Statistics Directorate).
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If you want to get into FBI stats, you have to deal with the fact that most USA homicides are committed by Blacks.
If you want to get into this issue, and talk about the fact that there are far fewer Blacks in the other countries,
you will probably fall in the category of racism.
We don't wish to get into that, do we? I don't. |
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Well I don't mind if you don't.  In fact, as I understand things, it does seem that black youth culture in urban Britain has been the conduit for the increase in gun use. I've yet to hear of a black mass killer who gunned down 30 people though. |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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If you want to get into FBI stats, you have to deal with the fact that most USA homicides are committed by Blacks.
If you want to get into this issue, and talk about the fact that there are far fewer Blacks in the other countries,
you will probably fall in the category of racism.
We don't wish to get into that, do we? I don't. |
You ignoramus. Most acts of rape and paedophilia are commited by white people, so don't come on here trying to take the moral high ground you white ㄷunt |
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cosmo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: |
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[quote="demi
You ignoramus. Most acts of rape and paedophilia IN EUROPE are commited by white people, so don't come on here trying to take the moral high ground you white ㄷunt[/quote]
Do you know what the proper term is for someone who is a master at baiting? demi does. |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Most acts of rape and paedophilia IN EUROPE are commited by white people |
So that's not the case in America? Are blacks predominantly responsible for those crimes? |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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No. Part of the standard allegation-driven discourse you peddle here. Standard leftist rhetoric, R.S. Refugee. You repeat it as a mindless drone.
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| Americans...have inordinate power to do evil compared to the average world citizen. |
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Man, you sure know how to wield a mean ellipsis. Where did you get your training in propagandistic writing and smear tactics editing? Your internship at Pravda back in the old days?
Seriously man, it was amusing. I would expect no less from someone of your ilk.
But lest a serious reader mistake you for a serious writer, here is the quote again without your dastardly and highly amusing editing.
I expect Joo is apprenticing to be just like you when, er...if he grows up.  
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I don't think Americans are any more evil than your average nation might be, but rather that they (the elites that decide the policies of that country, that is ) have inordinate power to do evil compared to the average world citizen. |
Since myopia seems to be a real problem in these parts, I added a little bolding for emphasis of the most important part of the statement that you wisely edited out in your desire to falsely quote and smear me. Nice try, man.
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Like your trollacious title Refugee. |
You're an inspiration to us all, Big Bird. Though I doubt that you'll inspire many of us to reproduce.
Uh. I think I'd better rephrase that lest I be misunderstood. Having met you and spent time with you in person, I'd say you are certainly a delightful, entertaining, and attractive woman to be around. Your husband and son were very nice too. So, when I said that I doubt that you'll inspire any of us to reproduce, I meant that your example in that area probably wouldn't inspire any of us to follow your example. I'm not sure if I got that straightened out or not. And I'm usually so diplomatic and well-spoken. Anyway, I hope you got that all straighened out even if I didn't so that you realize that I would only say complementary things about someone like you. 
But maybe we could clone Gopher, McGarrett, and Joo. That should help with the world's overpopulation problem as armies of those three wandering about would surely make people the world over start considering what the more pleasant alternatives were to being alive. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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My own thought is that as soon as Gopher graduates, he'll move to Baltimore and work for the Pentagon. Everything to him is atleast 5 sided, depends who he has to approve of..........
He'll stamp, certify, reference, quote and paraphrase so much to death, everyone will believe him while still knowing nothing about what he believes.....He'll get a few works in the library of congress and grow fat and well fed and wear the Brooks Bros. suit, all paid for by hard working American's money.
Poor man, never really saying one word of anything real and of the heart. I'd quote an Auden poem but I don't have the fight in me tonight....
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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You're an inspiration to us all, Big Bird. Though I doubt that you'll inspire many of us to reproduce. |
  Perhaps I've been complaining too loudly about motherhood interfering with book reading and forum playing...?
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| Uh. I think I'd better rephrase that lest I be misunderstood. Having met you and spent time with you in person, I'd say you are certainly a delightful, entertaining, and attractive woman to be around. Your husband and son were very nice too. So, when I said that I doubt that you'll inspire any of us to reproduce, I meant that your example in that area probably wouldn't inspire any of us to follow your example. I'm not sure if I got that straightened out or not. And I'm usually so diplomatic and well-spoken. Anyway, I hope you got that all straighened out even if I didn't so that you realize that I would only say complementary things about someone like you. |
Oh I see. At least I think I do. I've had to read that upside down and inside out to try and make any sense of it. I think perhaps you're saying that the example I've set is rather high, leading others to baulk at following in my wake...? Actually, I think you'd make a rather good father Refugee; if you're at all inclined, you should have a crack at it. It's fun trying, anyhow! Anyway, thanks for the lovely compliments. |
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